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First, Russia says it chased a British destroyer out of Crimea waters with warning shots and dropping bombs in its path.

You know, Crimea. Russia says this is their territorial waters (aquatorial?), Britain says it's Ukrainian waters so they were in their right... And then comes this.

U.K. Denies Russia Claim Warning Shots Fired at Warship

So which is it then? Yeah, I'm not asking whose waters these are, because, as far as I'm concerned, it's humankind's waters, etc, blabla koombaya. Call me a hippie. No, I'm asking how it's possible that two sides saw two completely different things here. Rather, one saw nothing while the other imagined a big incident. Is there a way to even know these things any more!? And, to troll you a little, what's a British ship doing in the Black Sea anyways?

The UK Isn't Alone

Date: 23/6/21 18:40 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
Kyiv's been inviting a lot of other countries to send naval contingents to visit. The occasion is an annual event called Operation Sea Breeze. This year, in addition to Ukraine, the UK and the US, 29 other countries are sending ships, troops, planes, etc. to visit the Black Sea. Canada is among the nations who've accepted these invites, too.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_50349.htm
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2021/06/mil-210621-usn01.htm
https://twitter.com/search?q=SeaBreeze2021&src=typed_query&f=live

History of International Participation in Op Sea Breeze - sorted by year showing participants' flags
Edited Date: 23/6/21 18:47 (UTC)

Re: The UK Isn't Alone

Date: 23/6/21 18:51 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
And yeah, this year's roster looks problematic in several respects.

Re: The UK Isn't Alone

Date: 24/6/21 12:31 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
Three or four of the participants are currently what can be called illiberal democracies at best right now.

Re: The UK Isn't Alone

Date: 25/6/21 07:58 (UTC)
asthfghl: (Ауди А6 за шес' хиляди марки. Проблемче?)
From: [personal profile] asthfghl
Good thing policies on defense alliances are not affected by political ideology... Oh wait.

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Date: 23/6/21 18:51 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] merig00
I think U.K. just playing diplomatic wording game. "You call that warning shots? Pfff" :D

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Date: 23/6/21 20:53 (UTC)
abomvubuso: (Pffft... oh noes!)
From: [personal profile] abomvubuso
They're just visiting, ya know. As guests.

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Date: 24/6/21 18:08 (UTC)
mahnmut: (Albert thinks ur funny.)
From: [personal profile] mahnmut
British warships don't often sail in international waters, but when they do there is a BBC journalist onboard...

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