[identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Donald Trump says Germany owes US and Nato 'vast sums of money' for defence

What a pile of utter bullshit. Especially given the fact that 90% of all NATO actions in the Middle East and elsewhere around the world have been in direct defense of US interests (oil, gas, gold, trade routes and markets, disobedient foreign leaders, etc etc). So who owes what to whom, actually?

Besides, the requirement to invest 2% of the GDP for defense was introduced just a couple of years ago - how could anyone have accumulated "lots of debt" for that time? Especially a country like Germany, who's been among those who've kept their discipline as per that requirement, and have consistently complied with it? Germany has contributed to NATO in every way possible, they've been at the front line countering one of the greatest geopolitical dangers for the West, Putin's Russia (well, not so dangerous according to their Manchurian candidate, Trump and his associates). Not to mention dealing with the influx of refugees, which the US has refused to contribute to.

And finally, how are you going to make America "great" again by alienating all your allies? Look, if America so much insists to succumb to self-isolation, I'm sure other countries are going to take the responsibility and fill that void if it comes to that. And Germany would be somewhere around the top of that list. It's hard times like these where real friends become apparent, and under Trump, America is failing big time.

I don't know how tolerant that US public has become to "alternative facts" for the two months since this moron's inauguration, but the rest of the world is quickly losing patience already.

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Date: 20/3/17 08:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Europe needs a separate defense system. Maybe plus Canada. Let someone else serve as cannon fodder in service of America's geopolitical interests.

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Date: 20/3/17 09:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Are they? No, I mean really? Let's see. The biggest threats to us right now are 1) Uncontrolled influx of unvetted refugees and/or economic migrants from Syria, Iraq and beyond; 2) Turkey's neo-Ottomanist aspirations; and 3) Russia's neo-Soviet aspirations.

So how are they defending us against either of those? 1) Not contributing to the efforts on the refugee problem. 2) Having no intention to pick us over Turkey as Erdogan keeps increasing his pressure on the region and now directly intervenes in domestic elections here. 3) First antagonizing Putin by placing military bases, troops and now missile shields here; then trying to be good buddies with him and turn a blind eye to blatant, dangerous-precedent-setting violations of territorial sovereignty like in Crimea and the Donbass.

All the while, we've sent what little has remained of our military (shrunken and sequestered by the bidding of US-controlled NATO, by the way) to die for them in their wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, like the good puppies that we are.

So how exactly are they helping, pray tell? (That's a rhetorical question).
Edited Date: 20/3/17 09:10 (UTC)

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Date: 20/3/17 09:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
That wouldn't help Trump make America much greater. I suspect he'd disagree ;)

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Date: 20/3/17 09:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
He's welcome to come bomb us.

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Date: 20/3/17 11:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
That's not how NATO works, asshole

Yeah, he heard ya. Definitely.

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Date: 21/3/17 08:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com
Good grief, I hope he's not trying to account for "interest" or something for U.S. helping Germany in WWII because UN wasn't even around back then.

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Date: 21/3/17 21:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peamasii.livejournal.com
Trump owes Deutsche Bank about $300m, so let's call it even, OK!

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