[identity profile] airiefairie.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Those who organised yesterday's shooting of Andrey Karlov, the Russian ambassador in Turkey, likely wanted to take a revenge at Russia for her actions in Syria and to disrupt the ongoing warming up between Turkey and Russia. It seems they have failed in this, because no signs of another freezing of these relations are seen. The Turkish foreign minister is still going to visit Moscow for a trilateral meeting with Iran and Russia on Syria. The only thing the assassination will change is probably the level of security measures before the meeting.

Of course Russia will not just forgive and forget the death of their ambassador, so there will be some tensions. Especially because the memory of the downed Russian fighter jet is still so fresh.


And of course, because it is Russia and Turkey that we are talking about here, the conspiracy theories of CIA involvement popped up almost immediately. You see, America wanted to disrupt the plans of Russia, Iran and Turkey, so they staged this event. Another, even crazier version is that Russia may have sent spec ops agents to kill its own ambassadors in order to gain the upper hand at those negotiations (compassion, and all that). Sounds too cynical to me, even for Russia.

In reality, the further development of the Russian-Turkish relations mainly depends on Turkey's behaviour from now on: how efficiently it will react, what measures it will take. It is hard to imagine that this act was inspired by the Turkish authorities. Whether the incident was due to negligence or not, Russia is right to demand the restoration of order, but without spoiling their relations with Turkey, because they are even more important now, given the latest developments in Aleppo.

Russia would hardly want to provoke a conflict - it is obvious that the attack was on Russia, not Turkey, because it is not in Turkey's interests to spoil their relations with Russia just after having amended them somewhat.

It is very unlikely that there would be another fallout between Russia and Turkey, although some challenges are inevitable. The two countries are among the main targets of terrorism, they are at the frontline in the struggle against terrorism, so they will have to proceed with the negotiations no matter what. And these negotiations will have to be constructive, no matter the differences. And of those there sure are many. But this monstrous act is now a chance for them to become even more sane and constructive. Because it is evident that neither side is safe.

This was an act not on the ambassador, but against Russia, and their interests. It was obviously a well-planned terror act; what remains to be specified is whether it was committed by a lone wolf or a group. It does not seem too possible that a single person did this on their own, though. It takes a lot of organisation to infiltrate a guarded event of this sort.

Ultimately, the most important question is, who gains from this act? First and foremost, it is those who do not want Russia and Turkey to negotiate a solution of the Syrian situation. Another important aspect is the economic cooperation between these two countries, particularly the gas pipeline from Russia to Turkey. There are a number of influential regional players who do not want that project to become reality. In any case, the trail leads outside of Turkey. Whether it is somewhere in the Gulf or beyond the Atlantic, I suppose we will never learn for sure. What matters now is that neither side should take hasty steps, even though the temptation to "do something, anything" and retaliate is great, and war is in the air every time a diplomat of this calibre is killed (just to remind how World War I started).

Russia is already paying a steep price for getting involved in the Middle Eastern quagmire - first the downed fighter jet, then the passenger plane over Sinai, and now the killed ambassador. The cost is getting greater by the day, although they may have gained a tactical victory on the field for the time being. Getting so heavily involved means the threat of Paris- and now Berlin-style attacks on Russian soil are imminent. Perhaps the Russian people would hold their leaders accountable for it at some point, but for now, they seem to revel in their victories happening at the presumably safe distance of thousands of miles away.

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Date: 20/12/16 08:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Just a question. The guy who shot the Russian ambassador in Turkey, he was planning to end up in heaven with all those 72 virgins, right? Except he had shaven his beard. Check-mate, Islamist terrorists!

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Date: 20/12/16 09:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
With Uncle Vlad's bestie in the White House, and the recent precedent of NATO not rushing to Turkey's aid, I think Turkey has to show "bend-over" willing to the Russians when they come to help investigate what happened.

Global realignments continue apace. Great. May I sell you an overturned applecart?
Edited Date: 20/12/16 09:42 (UTC)

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Date: 20/12/16 09:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Don't know what's so bad in change. Best opportunities come at times of change. As we say around here, the biggest fish is caught in muddy water. ;-)

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Date: 20/12/16 11:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
Don't get me wrong; I'm not against change per se; I just prefer evolution to revolution. Gently-managed rather than without steering, careening down the side of a hill, to an unknown finish. Which is, I suppose, a bit conservative of me; but then again, I am a conservative of a kind... One of those who wishes to conserve the best of society and is prepared to amend the worst.

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Date: 20/12/16 12:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Too bad so many conservatives seem to end up wanting the reversed.

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Date: 20/12/16 12:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
That's why I spend so much time arguing with them. :)

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Date: 20/12/16 18:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
Cynical false-flag or not, Russia is going to press for concessions from Turkey on the Syrian issue from now on. They won't miss this opportunity.

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Date: 22/12/16 06:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
I was thinking, if this guy wanted to really disrupt Russo-Turkish relations, he wouldn't have chanted pro Syrian rebel slogans, but maybe pro Assad or something like that.

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