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talkpolitics"Trump's lavish dinner with Mitt will likely be played for laughs for a few days, but it is a symbol of something very serious — and very wrong — with Trump's transition from alleged billionaire to 45th president, who was elected by the disenfranchised, disadvantaged and forgotten Americans who genuinely struggle. Yet when Trump wasn't downing frog legs with his multi-millionaire new pal, Romney, he has been larding his cabinet with super-wealthy Republican loyalists who have completely ignored the needs of the very people who elected Trump."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-running-conservative-tank-frog-leg-time-article-1.2892069
Well, here's a saying that I've heard around here. Not the one eating the pie is the crazy one, it's the ones who gave'm the pie in the first place.
You guys chose this guy. Well, a minority of you that was significant enough to make him your leader. Now you don't get to whine about it when he screws you over. Or maybe you do? Because that's what he'll do. He'll fuck you up big time. He may seem to believe that a country is run like a business, which may be a reason why he's filling his cabinet with fellow wealthy folks. Or maybe it's really because these are the only sort of guys he can trust, I don't know which is more valid. Or maybe it's just that he's part of an oligarchy that he's now bringing into position to be calling the shots from now on (not that they haven't been running the party for, like, forever - but now they'll be doing it openly anyway).
Point is, if ordinary "real Americans" from the small rural areas of core America who largely propped this guy up into power are really expecting him to stand up for them and defend their interests because he promised so - they're in for quite a cold shower in the next four to eight years. He was brought by hopes for changing things and snatching America out of the paws of the greedy detached elites - and when those hopes get dashed by the realization that no, the greedy detached elites are not only not going anywhere but they're getting even more entrenched into power with their champion at the helm... well, I'm seeing big, BIG trouble coming up at the horizon. Possibly political turmoil, and I'm not ruling out massive violence either. Perhaps the revolution that Bernie professed will have to turn ugly before things get really better and constructive. In a way though, that would be the catharsis that any society in trouble needs in order to cleanse itself and move on. And perhaps Trump's ascent, and that of all those frog-leg-munching gazillionaires around him by extension, is the painful, yet necessary catalyst that would precipitate this process.
Bottom-line: I get the feeling that something will snap, and soon. But maybe that's not such a bad thing after all.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-running-conservative-tank-frog-leg-time-article-1.2892069
Well, here's a saying that I've heard around here. Not the one eating the pie is the crazy one, it's the ones who gave'm the pie in the first place.
You guys chose this guy. Well, a minority of you that was significant enough to make him your leader. Now you don't get to whine about it when he screws you over. Or maybe you do? Because that's what he'll do. He'll fuck you up big time. He may seem to believe that a country is run like a business, which may be a reason why he's filling his cabinet with fellow wealthy folks. Or maybe it's really because these are the only sort of guys he can trust, I don't know which is more valid. Or maybe it's just that he's part of an oligarchy that he's now bringing into position to be calling the shots from now on (not that they haven't been running the party for, like, forever - but now they'll be doing it openly anyway).
Point is, if ordinary "real Americans" from the small rural areas of core America who largely propped this guy up into power are really expecting him to stand up for them and defend their interests because he promised so - they're in for quite a cold shower in the next four to eight years. He was brought by hopes for changing things and snatching America out of the paws of the greedy detached elites - and when those hopes get dashed by the realization that no, the greedy detached elites are not only not going anywhere but they're getting even more entrenched into power with their champion at the helm... well, I'm seeing big, BIG trouble coming up at the horizon. Possibly political turmoil, and I'm not ruling out massive violence either. Perhaps the revolution that Bernie professed will have to turn ugly before things get really better and constructive. In a way though, that would be the catharsis that any society in trouble needs in order to cleanse itself and move on. And perhaps Trump's ascent, and that of all those frog-leg-munching gazillionaires around him by extension, is the painful, yet necessary catalyst that would precipitate this process.
Bottom-line: I get the feeling that something will snap, and soon. But maybe that's not such a bad thing after all.
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Date: 30/11/16 08:57 (UTC)I could be proven wrong, of course. I wish so much to be proven wrong.
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Date: 30/11/16 09:39 (UTC)Whatever you do to yourself, no one else can do to you.
Remember that, h'America!
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Date: 30/11/16 12:33 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 30/11/16 13:12 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 30/11/16 15:41 (UTC)Trump may fuck up, I won't argue against that. But is an expensive meal the first domino, or a domino at all? If this is about shitty appointments, of which I agree Romney would be one, then they should go into more detail into that, not about the goddamn cake they ate.
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Date: 30/11/16 19:41 (UTC)I get it. You don't like the way the point was brought through. But do you have anything to say on the actual friggin point that's being made?
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Date: 30/11/16 20:46 (UTC)Haley criticized Trump plenty over the last year - not really rich, or a friend - up until now anyway...
Mnuchin used to work for Soros (not a positive, and yes, it goes along with your point of the same people running the party, but thats a lefty hero - lefties have to be a little intrigued by something like that)
Ross is a Democrat (the one line on him was the most frustrating out of the article, but I won't talk about it anymore...)
If he's doing the same old thing, then we should get the same old results - in that case, I wouldn't expect a revolution.
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Date: 30/11/16 13:23 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 30/11/16 15:50 (UTC)He went into more detail about cake than he did Wilbur Ross.
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Date: 30/11/16 18:04 (UTC)Sadly, you also said nothing on the post itself.
Dude, whatever. You obviously don't care. Many people don't care either. That's why Trump was elected. He spews blatant lies and people are like, "Meh". And that's why whatever he does from now on, he'll be getting away with it. Because most people only care about form, not substance and content.
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Date: 30/11/16 20:01 (UTC)Is that the core you're talking about? Maybe we should all close our tabs and click again, we must be reading different articles....
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Date: 30/11/16 20:10 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 30/11/16 18:37 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 30/11/16 12:56 (UTC)He said what he was going to do, in that Yoda-like word-salad of his, now he's going to do at least some of it.... and it doesn't matter really, because this is where American voters (or those who could be bothered to vote) want America to be.
Trump is evidently what America needs. Just as Putin is what Russia needs. Now we in the UK have to find our own little fascistic demagogue as leader and we can join the club.
I think I need a warm bath, a case of Falernian, a few select friends for conversation, and a sharp razor. I shall try to do it as amusingly as Petronius.
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Date: 30/11/16 13:13 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 30/11/16 13:56 (UTC)Or maybe, in the Anglosphere, we all used to get the leaders that Roops told us we wanted, and now the little hatreds he and his kind have built up and foisted upon us over decades have grown into our body politic like a cancer.
Roops is still the big man at the Top Table. But the New Fascists will tame him and his heirs. He's in his '80's though, what has he got to worry about apart from death and making sure the kids and Jerry are provided for? (And if you're reading this one Roops, old thing, before you kick the bucket, put the Times, TLS,TES, etc into a trust, apart and away and completely independent from your other titles.)
Roops won, and the cup of victory will be bitter for him and his heirs and all of the Fourth Estate.
And we have to accept that, after many years of grooming by the press, almost half of the voting public in the Anglosphere have fascist inclinations. And this is probably true of most other countries/language blocks/trading blocks, excepting the likes of Russia, where the percentage is probably even higher. And this is Roops' and Rothermere's legacy, and the legacy of the other media owners. Obama's legacy is peanuts in comparison, even if a few more folk get medical care.
Right at this moment, China looks to be the most civilised place on the planet. How the bloody fuck did that happen? I mean... Tibet, human rights violations, mandatory single child policies, lack of personal freedom... etc and etc. But they are not mad. They accept science, they seem to have a reasonably good understanding of economics, despite all that state planning, oh, and have I mentioned that they are not mad? I suppose it's only a short time until they too succumb. I wonder what a truly fascist China would look like.
Whoever thought it would be a 21st Century International Fascism bringing the resurgence of the old and tired meme of racial superiority on the back of economic near disaster, social deprivation, and inequality? And still, Mencken telling us History repeating the second time as farce springs to mind. I suppose it's OK if all the dead are only dead ironically or farcically. I'm surprised someone hasn't tried to spin Aleppo into a comic musical yet.
The fact that Trump is a joke doesn't diminish the gravity of our present predicament.
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Date: 30/11/16 22:02 (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 1/12/16 10:38 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 1/12/16 17:40 (UTC)How is the sprog?
Bit of a FUBAR all around with the Donald, IMHO. What do you and the broad consensus of old-fashioned Republicans actually think about it all? Folk have been sucking up to Trump since his victory, but is this in the hope of influencing him or because they agree with him?
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Date: 2/12/16 23:10 (UTC)I feel like there's a collective shrug and a hope he can be contained. I'm not as optimistic.
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