The Islamisation of radicalism

[airiefairie.livejournal.com]

We have heard a lot of radical Islam in Europe lately. Yesterday's attack in Munich provided another reason to talk about it. But few have spoken of the reversed, the Islamisation of radicalism. I am talking about marginalised people who seek for an incentive to oppose society as a whole - and often find the appropriate ideological excuse for their radical actions in Islam.

After the bloodbaths in Nice and now Munich, especially with the latter one where the indications are that the perpetrator was not even radicalised but was rather an outsider with issues who sought a way to vent, the problem has become even more acute. The problem with European societies is that they have provided a fruitful soil for growing radicalism. This includes problems that probably have a lot more to do with social instability and insecurity than anything religious or politically ideological. Most terror attackers so far have either had dual citizenship, or have lived there for generations, but have failed to integrate.

So, while some of the earlier terror attacks could be ascribed to lapses in security, and problems with the security services, and the Paris and Brussels attacks *could* be ascribed to meticulous organisation by the Islamic State, now we are talking of young marginalised people who obviously have serious social issues. They just go out without much planning, they kill as many people as they can get, and only later the Islamic State "appropriates" their actions.

The attacker in Nice had no direct links to radical organisations. He just visited some websites in the last few weeks, he was no pious Muslim - he drank, smoked, went to night clubs, never visited a mosque. It seems the Munich attacker wasn't even *that* much into Islam, either. The problem here is, people (especially populists) are focusing too much on incoming migrants while neglecting the real problem - social marginalisation of entire segments of society, who already live here. And of course, the intelligence services cannot watch every single person who has some issues. A police state is not the solution - it is what the likes of the Islamic State actually want. They want us to change our societies in ways that would validate their ideology, and thus be provided with moral ammo for their argument. Until we address the deeper reasons for radicalisation, we would never be able to tackle terrorism.

Comments

[dreamville-bg.livejournal.com]

The Bavarian authorities were kind of too quick to determine that the shooter had nothing to do with radical Islam. They were very eager to inform the public that he was a lone wolf, acting in a state of amok. While we don't have all the facts, granted, it all terribly smells of PC-induced rush to conclusions. Lest we somehow ascribe this latest tragedy to migrants, or something.

The fact this guy was an Iranian migrant who had arrived a few weeks ago, somehow got swept under the rug in the process.

[airiefairie.livejournal.com]

Again, an Iranian guy with issues grabbing a gun and shooting people != an Islamic State operative carrying out a planned terror act. Even if the Islamic State rushes to "recognise" him post factum as their follower.

[dreamville-bg.livejournal.com]

And again, it all looks a bit too suspicious, particularly in light of all recent attacks. The fact that the authorities determined who he was and what this was all about rather too quickly, is not helping disperse this suspicion either. Especially when we take in consideration that these are the same authorities who went to tremendous lengths to "educate" their own populace about accommodating the sensibilities of Middle Eastern newcomers (like: "Just don't walk near their dorm, lest you offend them with your looks").

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

As terrible as it may sound, the Germans have had this coming for quite a while. It's surprising it hadn't happened there much earlier. If we don't count the mass rapes as part of the same problem, of course (IMO, they should be).

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

Apparent links to Anders Breivik.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36874497

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

An Iranian expat, sympathizing with... neo-Nazis? What's next, a black KKK member?

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

And we worry about cognitive dissonance amongst ourselves.

Fucking mad bastards....

https://youtu.be/xUky4_A7Zw4 (https://youtu.be/xUky4_A7Zw4) NSFW.

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

Did everybody change the French flag with the German one on their Facebook already?

Ich bin München.

Let's paint the Reichstag with the German flag, then march on a street rally with candy and bubblegums, and everyone shall hold a balloon with the German colors.

That's the only way to defeat terrorism!

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

Latest in:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36874497

The blighters are closing in from all sides now. Great. Fascist nutters, religious nutters, political nutters, we have them in all shades and mindsets.

As a species we do exhibit mental health problems on a large scale. Perhaps we are too mad to inherit the earth.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

The attacker in Nice had no direct links to radical organisations. He just visited some websites in the last few weeks, he was no pious Muslim - he drank, smoked, went to night clubs, never visited a mosque. It seems the Munich attacker wasn't even *that* much into Islam, either.

The problem is that the ISIS model, currently, is radicalization from afar. Get people to read their propaganda, be radicalized, and act. Nice, Munich, Orlando, they all followed that template.

That's why they're "ISIS-inspired," or if we want to get more direct, "ISIS-related" without the perpetrators having clear links to ISIS. This is a new model.

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

Right at this moment if a bunch of kids blew up a telephone box with fertiliser ISIS would be claiming responsibility. Almost.

They are over-egging things if they claim a deluded bullied teenager with issues and sympathy for various insane murdering criminals was acting for or on behalf of them.

Our understanding must never be twisted or occluded to suit their narrative.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

But if those teens had been watching ISIS videos and declared allegiance to Al-Baghdadi as they blew it up, we'd know right away that the script worked.

[johnny9fingers.livejournal.com]

Ergo this deluded fantasist's admiration for fascist nutters means we should target them too?

David Duke, your arraignment awaits.

[oportet.livejournal.com]

Islams problem(s) will only be solved by Islam - the other 5 1/2 billion of us can dodge and/or fight the symptoms the best we can, but in the end - that's all we can do.