[identity profile] lucy-chronicles.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Holy cow Batman! Interesting this is the first many of us have heard of the 'twist' on the census.
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Census goes too far with children
by Bob Barr
as published in The Atlanta Journal Constitution
Tuesday, September 08, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Child labor has been officially illegal in the United States since the late 1930s; that is, except for the U.S. Census Bureau. The bureau is embarking on a massive, well-funded plan to use schoolchildren in grades k-12 across the country to serve as salespersons for the 2010 census.

In recent decades, the census has become more than the counting of people the Constitution envisioned. It has morphed into a multibillion-dollar project, backed by thousands of bureaucrats and designed to gather for Uncle Sam as much information on as many people as possible.

In one respect, this phenomenon is a not-unexpected outgrowth of the natural tendency of government to increase and retain power. As the amount of taxpayer dollars flowing into and out of the federal government has expanded exponentially in recent years, so also has the carrot-and-stick the feds employ to pressure states and local communities to do its bidding. Thus, the census is now marketed to states, counties, cities, families and even individuals as a way for the benevolent government to make sure everyone gets their “fair share” of federal largesse.
Viewed thusly, it is perhaps understandable the government has decided that limiting itself to a single, decennial census is inadequate. Enter the perennial census. Now, in addition to the required decennial census, we have the “American Community Survey,” which includes page after page of probing questions about income, employment, driving habits, household appliances and much more.

Apparently the process of gathering all this “vital” information is just too much for the overburdened government to handle, so the Census Bureau brainiacs have decided to tap into America’s vast labor reserve — our schoolchildren.

While the government used schools to a limited extent in the 2000 census, the bureau’s new program, called “2010 Census: It’s about us,” takes “us” to a new level. Students in all grades would study the census using government-provided materials. They would discover the “value” of the census to their families and to their communities. They would engage in “celebrations” about the census; and would be given take-home materials with which to “encourage census-related conversations at home.”

Public schools will be easy to reach and enlist in this program; but the bureau recognizes that for maximum impact, private schools and even home-schooling parents need to be brought on board. Therefore, the official Web site includes in its plan getting materials to all private schools and even home schoolers via the Internet. Parent-teacher associations are encouraged to become “official partners.”

The government says it wants to “encourage students to collect data on their own,” but under this program it will be teaching young children how to be government collectors of information. The bureau even has plans to enlist Sesame Street characters to enhance the learning experience of becoming a government snoop.

The feds increase the likelihood of squeezing every bit of information possible out of everyone filling out the census form by reminding us that failure to comply can be considered a criminal offense. With this in mind, perhaps the administration will be deputizing the new cadre of junior bureaucrats.

This truly is no laughing matter, and parents across the country should stop this thinly veiled effort to teach their children the fun of gathering information for the government. At a minimum, parents should keep their children home from school during “Census in Schools Week” (to occur sometime between January and March 2010, according to the “It’s about us” Web site). There are any number of conversations that ought to occur around the family dinner table that are far more important than why government-funded programs are so vital and why we should happily give to the government all the private information it wants.

Check out the BARR CODE Monday and Friday’s at http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/

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Date: 8/9/09 16:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
the only part of the census you're constitutionally obligated to fill out is the address and number of people.

Everything else is unconstitutional.

(That having been said, I'm not going to keep my kid home from school when he's learning about the Census.)
Edited Date: 8/9/09 17:09 (UTC)

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Date: 8/9/09 17:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thies.livejournal.com
what are the school children supposed to sell related to the census and how much does it cost?

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Date: 8/9/09 18:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Thin mint cookies perhaps? (one can only hope)

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Date: 8/9/09 17:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
While researching my lineage I read a ton of old census forms.

Back then it was great. The head of the house received a paper form that asked who all lived at the residence, their age, race, and how you were connected to them. You then put what city, county, and state you were in and sent it off.

Nothing political or invasive. Just kept tabs on people for proper apportioning.

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Date: 8/9/09 17:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
At a minimum, parents should keep their children home from school during “Census in Schools Week”

Yeah, truancy is the answer. Brilliant, Babar. I wonder what the maximum would be.

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Date: 8/9/09 17:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
Truancy is bad because it keeps you from getting a proper education.

BS like this just makes truancy seem like good time management.

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Date: 8/9/09 18:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
Truancy is illegal. There are better ways to protest without breaking the law.

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Date: 8/9/09 18:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
Truancy is absences without parental knowledge.

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Date: 8/9/09 19:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
Colloquially, maybe, but truancy means "any intentional unauthorized absence from compulsory schooling" regardless of parental knowledge. And it's still illegal.

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Date: 8/9/09 20:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
Depends on most local laws. A single day won't violate the law near anywhere.

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Date: 8/9/09 20:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
He's talking about an entire week. Point is, it sets a bad example for the child.

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Date: 9/9/09 03:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gifa.livejournal.com
If a parent is endorsing absenteeism to their child in regard to school, then the parent clearly lacks knowledge... and that is what they are passing on to their child.

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Date: 8/9/09 18:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reflaxion.livejournal.com
Criminal. How dare the government teach children about the census. Instead we should teach children that the government is out to get them, and how to fight the power with the use of mass hysteria!

The 2010 Census: because the secret troops on standby to invade your commnuity, murder your families and enslave your children need to know when you're home and if they're going to need anti-toaster gear.

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Date: 8/9/09 18:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Nancy Reagan told me to turn my parents in for drugs and I ended up in foster care.

/Okay, maybe not, but I remember that shit.

TIC

Date: 8/9/09 18:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Actually the whole idea of the census bothers me.
I always remember reading what happened to Israel when David took the census.

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Date: 8/9/09 18:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jblaque.livejournal.com
Every red-blooded conservative in this country should be boycotting the census. Pass it on!

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Date: 8/9/09 18:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
it's the only way to protest the president and his ACORNION thugz!

let your voice be heard and let your neighborhood be blank!

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Date: 8/9/09 20:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jblaque.livejournal.com
Shhh... don't give it away!

EVERYONE BOYCOTT THE CENSUS!!

:makes eyes:

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Date: 8/9/09 20:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com
there's nothing to give away! except freedom!

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Date: 9/9/09 01:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dv8nation.livejournal.com
No, put your religion down as Jedi! That'll show 'em.

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Date: 8/9/09 18:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greeneyedsadie.livejournal.com
This is the same Bob Barr who was a main player in the Clinton impeachment trial, yet who lied under oath himself in his divorce proceedings about being unfaithful to his wife. His ex-wife Gail took Larry Flynt up on his offer to pay a reward to anyone who could offer proof of right wing hypocrisy and she offered that Barr had paid for and driven her in 1983 to get an abortion (even though Barr has voted anti-choice on every single vote he had when he was in Congress) and that he had an affair while he was married to Gail (who was in the middle of fighting breast cancer) with the women he would marry a little more than a month after the divorce.

Essentially, Bob Barr has absolutely no credibility with me.

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Date: 8/9/09 21:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Then no politician should have any credibility with you.

(no subject)

Date: 8/9/09 22:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greeneyedsadie.livejournal.com
There are very few who do. Dennis Kucinich is one that does.

And there's also a difference between your average politician and those who preach moral values left and right, including going so far as to fight for the impeachment of a president for something they themselves have done. Political figures such as Bob Barr, David Vitter, Mark Sandford, Larry Craig and Bob Livingston that are so hell bent on "Family Values" and doing things like Bob Barr's authoring DOMA and his hardliner stance against abortion when he's secretly going against those tenets himself just make them have even less credibility than your average hypocritical politician.

Because face it; to make it in politics, you need to be somewhat hypocritical, or you'll never get elected. I accept that.

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Date: 8/9/09 22:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greeneyedsadie.livejournal.com
Just because he's now all for the legalization of Marijuana and ran as a Libertarian doesn't mean he actually believes all of those things. Bob Barr has been trying to get into power in Washington since 1992. Barr was defeated in 2002 specifically because he was against Medical Marijuana. If you want to get back into power and you are soundly defeated based on a specific issue you reevaluate your stances on things and adjust them toward whatever party in which you want to run for office. A perfect example of this other than Bob Barr is John McCain. He was beaten badly by George W Bush in 2000 running as the old John McCain and he reemerged in 2008 with the neo-conservative stances that I honestly don't think he believes in.

Can people change their minds on issues? Sure. I have over the years, and if I thought it was genuine I would take it seriously. But I can never take Bob Barr seriously because he has shown in the past to have serious moral and ethical flaws.

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Date: 8/9/09 22:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] new-wave-witch.livejournal.com
It's also the same Bob Barr who wanted the Pentagon to ban the practice of witchcraft among active duty soldiers.

He cray cray.

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Date: 9/9/09 02:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafinjack.livejournal.com
Some of the best soldiers I knew were Wiccans. And one Odinist. And a Satanist.

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Date: 8/9/09 18:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
The only thing to be enraged about with regard to the census is how it's used to gerrymander.

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Date: 8/9/09 19:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com
This truly is no laughing matter, and parents across the country should stop this thinly veiled effort to teach their children the fun of gathering information for the government.
This assertion is laughable. Since when has counting our population been given such a sinister connotation?

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Date: 8/9/09 21:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Since it's been more than just counting the population.

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Date: 9/9/09 02:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com
No it's not, don't believe everything Glenn Beck tells you.

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Date: 9/9/09 05:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Glenn Beck hasn't told me anything, ever.

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Date: 9/9/09 06:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com
Good because he eats babies and stuff.

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Date: 9/9/09 18:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Who doesn't? They're tasty.

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Date: 8/9/09 20:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Considering the wholesale datamining that is constantly going on already, the census should be the least of your privacy worries.

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Date: 9/9/09 01:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Agreed. Things like the ease of getting around "anonymous" data protections (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/your-secrets-live-online-in-databases-of-ruin.ars) are far more immediately and scarily intrusive.

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Date: 8/9/09 21:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] root-fu.livejournal.com
Should I be concerned about "child labor" or "corruption of youth" the next time someone under the age of 18 knocks on my door and attempts to sell me cookies?

(no subject)

Date: 9/9/09 02:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com
So this isn't voluntary, you mean kids are being forced into doing this?

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