[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
There is no evidence that Early Christians heeded the Roman ban on birth control. In fact, there are hints pointing to the practice of birth control in the early Christian literature. Apparently, the Church didn't subscribe to Roman law on the matter until it took control of imperial affairs in the fourth century.

The ban on birth control made sense for an urban population at the time. If each family did not give birth to an average of five children, the population would decline from disease and warfare. This threat to the city's power was also a threat to the Church's power. One of the crimes that heretical sects were accused of was the crime of trafficking in prophylactic herbs.

To this day, the subjects of the Vicar of Caesar are prohibited from practicing birth control, except in limited contexts such as through monasticism. It is easy to determine whether a person is slave or free by establishing whether they follow the ban or not. Do you obey the laws of Caesar, or do you conform to a higher jurisprudence?

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Date: 27/8/09 21:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
If we lived in a state based on Civil Law I could snark that we still live under Roman law and thus there is no higher jurisprudence. Damn English and their common law. >.>

And anyone that looks at Christian history and is shocked that doctrine and practice are Earth and the Oort Cloud is in serious need of reading Christian history.

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Date: 27/8/09 21:24 (UTC)
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So now you're going into incoherent religion bashing?
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Date: 27/8/09 23:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lordtwinkie.livejournal.com
what do you mean "now"? where the hell have you been this is a frigging weekly occurrence.

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Date: 27/8/09 21:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
I only obey the laws of Caesar when I'm making salad dressing.

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Date: 27/8/09 23:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
I heard a rumor somewhere that Caesar died, know anything about it?

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Date: 27/8/09 23:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
I think the ides are in favor of that.

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Date: 28/8/09 01:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure Sid Caesar is still alive. His biography is sitting on my pile of "in process of reading" books.

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Date: 27/8/09 23:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijopo.livejournal.com
I wish you'd be respectful of community members' time and interests.
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What are you talking about? Your little macro makes a ton of sense. Its obviously using a scene from Predator and juxtaposing it into the 'Duck Hunt' video game for the Nintendo Entertainment System. Which frankly I find pretty cool.

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Date: 28/8/09 01:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hunterkirk.livejournal.com
Another anti-Christian post... I wonder why you think it belongs in this forum?

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Date: 28/8/09 01:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Maybe because she isn't getting enough hits on her LJ?

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Date: 28/8/09 06:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reality-hammer.livejournal.com
Never let religion interfere with sex.

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Date: 28/8/09 08:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
Indeed! The prospect of seeing her procreate is disturbing.

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Date: 28/8/09 06:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] root-fu.livejournal.com
I put the history book down.

And ward off the influencing finger of Caesar beckoning forth from the grave with my lvl 1, despotblock, ebonics.

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Date: 28/8/09 08:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
I love the form of your posts.

1. Title: rendering unto Ceasar + issue.
2. Historic reference about Christianity.
3. Irrelevant reference to Caesar.
4. Conclusion: question: "Do you obey Caesar"?

From here, there are several possible responses:

1. Hm, what?
2. You need to see a doctor.
3. No, I don't obey Caesar for fuck's sake.
4. Sure, why not.

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Date: 28/8/09 08:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
I think this comm is in a bad need of another quality post. Have patience, been working on the matter.

Caesar and birth control

Date: 29/8/09 21:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gypsy-unlimited.livejournal.com
I am an Atheist but believe birth control is ones own choice. Caesar will take what he can, but if I believe it is wrong for me and my loved ones, I will resist. I live on principal. I obey the laws I must to survive. I am finding I am in the minority in America. I do respect the majority vote however.

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Date: 30/8/09 06:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] consortofvenus.livejournal.com
But of course, the Church went through a lot of changes theologically, too. The birth control ban fits with the direction it was going in finding spiritual purity. Which in itself ooks like a solution to the famous pagan Greek Problem about where humans fit in the realms of 'gods' and animals. Sex is a natural, animal desire; animal passions cloud the mind which we use to understand what the 'gods' have to teach us.

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Date: 30/8/09 06:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] consortofvenus.livejournal.com
...and sex with birth control is an indulgence of animal passions.