[identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics


Pretty, isn't she? But as someone once said, "better watch out for the skin deep".

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/08/israeli-lawmaker-calls-for-genocide-of-palestinians-gets-5000-facebook-likes/

Somewhere, in an attic, is an incredibly ugly portrait...

Isn't rather just a little ironic of a person of this background to be effectively calling for genocide and collective punishment?

What is it that lets people place their nationality, ethnicity, religion as being more important that what is common between all people?

The UK Conservative MP Sir Robin John Maxwell-Hyslop, recalled his visit to the Knesset.

'After lunch, the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee spoke with great intemperance about the Arabs. When he drew a breath, I was constrained to say, 'Dr Hacohen, I am profoundly shocked that you should preach of other human beings in terms similar to those in which (Nazi) Julius Streicher spoke of the Jews. Have you learned nothing?' I shall remember his reply to my dying day. He smote the table with both hands and said, 'But they are not human beings, they are not people, they are Arabs.' (Hansard, Commons, 18 October 1973)

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Date: 10/7/14 14:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
I guess she's not going for the Nobel Peace Prize.
The stress of constant mini-war must lead some to hunger for a final solution.

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Date: 10/7/14 21:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
Can't really blame 'em at this point.

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Date: 10/7/14 21:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
One can perhaps have some understanding for the passion,
but this is why you need cooler heads to help restore some sanity
to the situation and cool things down before everything is burned to the ground.

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Date: 15/7/14 22:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
No, more like "The people's representatives of Gaza welcome our new liberators in Tel-Aviv" ala 1940. Israel was founded by Bolsheviks from Central and Eastern Europe, remember. They're professionals at making mass murder look like self-defense, and have been since Likud was blowing people up in hotels.

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Date: 15/7/14 22:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
I suppose the Zionist movement might have been born by Jews in the Russian sphere, but much of the heavy lifting, it seems to me, was done under the English and the Americans in making Israel finally happen. I don't question that there is a dark side to Israel, but in all fairness, there is a bad darkness against them as well. And there is more of a democratic spirit in Israel than among the Palestinians and much of their Muslim backers.

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Date: 10/7/14 14:33 (UTC)
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Would it be too sexist of me if I told her to fuck off?

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Date: 10/7/14 14:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
And racist. And bigoted.

But justified.

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Date: 10/7/14 14:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Regular Hamas guy: "I'd hit that. With a 1.57" Yasin RPG launcher."

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Date: 10/7/14 20:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Under rare conditions.

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Date: 10/7/14 15:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
One of Israel's ongoing political problems is that in recent decades, it has been impossible for a mainstream political party to form a government without enlisting the aid of the smaller parties, many of whom are filled with the batcrap crazy, such as Ms. Shaked and her "The Jewish Home Party". Worse, they are given Ministerial Portfolios to get them on board.

Imagine in the United States if you not only had to caucus with Christine O'Donnell to form a government, but you had to make her Secretary of Transportation.

Israel will never get better until a group of moderate Likud join together with Yesh Atid, United Arab List, Kadima, Hatnuah, Meretz, Hadash, and Labor to form a "Coalition of the Sane" and tell everyone else to go get stuffed.

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Date: 10/7/14 15:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
And I thought our two party system was bad.

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Date: 10/7/14 16:25 (UTC)
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Israel will never get better until a group of moderate Likud join together with Yesh Atid, United Arab List, Kadima, Hatnuah, Meretz, Hadash, and Labor to form a "Coalition of the Sane" and tell everyone else to go get stuffed.

I don't think there is that much sanity in the area, alas.

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Date: 10/7/14 17:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Excellent point, and what a fractured political body.

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Date: 11/7/14 01:29 (UTC)
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Who would be the "conservative" reps in your coalition? And what you be offering them and the Arabs to get them to play ball?

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Date: 10/7/14 16:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com
Alas, Israel is a racist state, founded upon an escape from the culmination of two thousand years of racism directed towards the Jewish peoples.

Sometimes, I'd like to see a Palestinian Golem deal with some of these folk. But if wishes were fishes, I'm sure I'd have an aquarium.

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Date: 10/7/14 18:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
Israeli lawmaker calls for genocide of the Palestinians people

Isn't rather just a little ironic of a person of this background to be effectively calling for genocide


Weaselly words there. The article in question does not call for genocide, but rather for a total war between Israel and Palestine. Now whether total war can be justified is another question, and I think you can have a fair debate about it, but nowhere does the quoted article call for genocide. That is why you dropped that "effectively" in there. You can disagree with her position without torturing it into a more Buzzfeed worthy headline.

Also, the second quote is unrelated and comes from 1973. Despicable sentiments, truly, but David Hacohen died in 1984 and he hadn't been a member of the Knesset since 1969. And while we're speaking of acts that were "effectively" genocidal, Hacohen's comments came in the wake of the Yom Kippur War, in case we've forgotten what happened in 1973. If you had gone for something a little more 21st century it would have been more persuasive, I'm sure there is plenty bubbling around out there somewhere.

This kind of rhetorical slight of hand doesn't do your cause much good.

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Date: 10/7/14 18:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
Good, tight reading!

Though, the "little snakes" comments sort of begs provocation.

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Date: 15/7/14 22:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
You mean when the IDF immediately dropped the delusion that it could march overnight to Cairo and Damascus? You mean when the nuclear deterrent Israel so painstakingly built failed to deter the Arab states from initiating a conventional war? You mean the war that led to Israel's first and still-enduring peace treaty with an Arab states?

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Date: 13/7/14 15:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nairiporter.livejournal.com
By the way, I'm glad that you post more often now.

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Date: 15/7/14 20:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] montecristo.livejournal.com
It's the nature of politics, at its root. Most people play at politics and pretend desperately or ignorantly that it is something else than what it is. Politics is collective violence when it is married to a state. Collectivism is the mode of conflict, force and violence. Why should anyone be surprised when it's very flower, genocide, blooms?

Another Hacohen, one of a differing veiwpoint than the original poster cites, has written on this topic on Antiwar. (http://original.antiwar.com/hacohen/2013/03/03/purim-and-genocidal-phantasies/)

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Date: 15/7/14 22:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
One would expect the party of the King David Hotel Bombing to have not changed its stripes since then.

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