Of all the topics I would think we'd have common ground on, I never thought this would be one of them. I'm on board with most of this and your take is...mostly correct, I think, but I have to point out a few miconceptions here.
And even by the emergence of the Soviet Union in Russia. This is not a factor that can be handwaved or ignored, and persisting in this pattern is one reason why neo-fascist movements like that of the Le Penites and their ideological cousins in the Tea Party movement in the United States have large-scale adherents in the West.
That you line up the Tea Party as "neo-fascists" is troubling and uncompelling, not to mention nonsensical. The French Nationalists saw immigration as a cancer because they view diversity as a cancer, as opposed to the issues of crime and dependency that illegal immigration is believed to be the root of in the United States. There are serious contextual points you're failing to acknowledge as to why the sort of closed border protectionism has any sort of popularity in the mainstream in France, and it's not exactly the best move to equate that to "no amnesty" in the United States.
Furthermore, the French Nationalists are extremely authoritarian, in contrast to the Tea Party which was formed in part to reduce the governmental authority in favor of a more Constitutional republic. The French Nationalists are extremely protectionist economically while the American Tea Party is a fairly standard conservative free market ideological group.
You're only weakening your argument by appealing to this sort of comparison. There's no "nationalism" to speak of in the Tea Party movement, just a lot of patriotism. It's incorrect and ahistorical to compare the two.
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Date: 7/5/14 22:00 (UTC)And even by the emergence of the Soviet Union in Russia. This is not a factor that can be handwaved or ignored, and persisting in this pattern is one reason why neo-fascist movements like that of the Le Penites and their ideological cousins in the Tea Party movement in the United States have large-scale adherents in the West.
That you line up the Tea Party as "neo-fascists" is troubling and uncompelling, not to mention nonsensical. The French Nationalists saw immigration as a cancer because they view diversity as a cancer, as opposed to the issues of crime and dependency that illegal immigration is believed to be the root of in the United States. There are serious contextual points you're failing to acknowledge as to why the sort of closed border protectionism has any sort of popularity in the mainstream in France, and it's not exactly the best move to equate that to "no amnesty" in the United States.
Furthermore, the French Nationalists are extremely authoritarian, in contrast to the Tea Party which was formed in part to reduce the governmental authority in favor of a more Constitutional republic. The French Nationalists are extremely protectionist economically while the American Tea Party is a fairly standard conservative free market ideological group.
You're only weakening your argument by appealing to this sort of comparison. There's no "nationalism" to speak of in the Tea Party movement, just a lot of patriotism. It's incorrect and ahistorical to compare the two.