F--k you too, Ms Nuland

[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

Notion: Vitali Klitschko becoming part of a new government in Ukraine?
Victoria Nuland: "I don't think it's necessary. I don't think it's a good idea".

Well, thanks, Ms Nuland, for deciding what's best for the Ukrainian people. Very much appreciated indeed. You know best, Ms Nuland.

Notion: Workable options should be sought to mend relations between the Ukrainian government and the protesters?
Victoria Nuland: "Would be great to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it. And you know - fuck the EU".

Well, fuck you too, Ms Nuland. If that's what US diplomacy boils down to, then really, fuck you. You, your superiors, and those who craft your policies and who so explicitly express them behind (supposedly) closed doors.

Oh, and while we're at it...

US State Department: "Leaking this nugget into the webspace is sooo so low of the Russians. A new low, really".

Yep. Shoot the messenger, right? Because the Russians are the evil ones who are not even shy enough to conceal their intentions to meddle into another country's affairs - but you are? Because the Russians are hypocrites enough to call the Europeans their friends while the mics are on, but then say "fuck them" while they're not listening? Really, fuck you, Ms Nuland.

Curious, the extent to which various US officials in public office seem to presume to be deciding how the next government of Ukraine should be looking like, the desires of the Ukrainians be damned. And not very surprisingly, quite an enlightening attestation as to exactly how the US feels about the EU, particularly in light of all the Snowden revelations (which of course are now a Russian conspiracy too - sounds very Putinesque an approach to having one's underwear exposed, indeed).

I think if anyone in Europe still believes the US is a friend and ally, they should go check themselves. There are no friends, just interests. Realpolitik at its best? Sure! But let's stop pretending one side's shit smells better than the other's, okay?

Btw, a curious change of tactic on part of the Russian intelligence services: now openly releasing leaks on Youtube. Has tovarisch Putin fallen prey to the social networks hype as well, mhmm?

Comments

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

That's such a refreshing piece of honest feedback! But she should've gone all the way and been 100% honest. She should've said, "Fuck the whole world! We're gunna spy the shit outta y'all, and send the drones if you protest".

[cypukambl.livejournal.com]

Mr Putin, relogin with your own name, please.

[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

Oops, sorry Mr McCain. As a true Putin, my real username is Livejournal!

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

I wasn't aware that Putin cared about the EU. But you never know with those Russkies.

[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

Or that Putin cared about Klitschko becoming part of the Ukrainian government.

Weird things do happen.

[nairiporter.livejournal.com]

"You either approve of what this US official said, or you're a Putin supporter" is a false dichotomy. But I'm sure you already knew that, didn't you.

[ddstory.livejournal.com]

Well, a lot of EU politicians think the same of the US.

If the NSA spying on European leaders doesn't result in any real repercussions, then this bit here will go largely unnoticed. It's just par for the course of what goes on behind closed doors when the mics are off (or when these guys believe they're off).

Also, THANKS OBAMA! ;)

[abomvubuso.livejournal.com]

Yanukovych seems to be budging to the perssure these days, or at least trying to buy time and appease the protesters somewhat.

There are increasing voices drawing dark scenarios in front of Ukraine. A possible splitting of the country won't be entirely an Ukrainian doing, though. Similarly to the open Chinese challenge to the US dominance in East Asia, Ukraine's splitting could drag a number of foreign powers into the bog, which would inevitably bring a strategic clash between them.

Only the Ukrainians can overcome this crisis. And any external intervention of any shape or form is both dangerous and provocative for Ukraine.

[allhatnocattle.livejournal.com]

I really like to see the annual U.S. government handbook on who is America's friend, who's foe and what's in America's best interest, just so I know what to expect this year.

[peristaltor.livejournal.com]

 I'll let you know when the next issue is issued. It should be out after the bidding by vested interests.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Maybe they could make a calendar with the new US foreign-policy trends?

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[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

I know right? How dare an American have an opinion.

[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

The Deputy Secretary of State is "just another American" sitting in a bar somewhere and spewing shit over a pint of ale, eh? Her statements are not to be taken in the context of her position as a high-ranking official from the very institution that crafts America's foreign policies - especially when those statements directly and explicitly refer to those same policies?

Who knew.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

Well she certainly wasn't providing the information as part of her job was she? Was she?

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

I'm afraid this sounds disingenuous. She's not just "an American".

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

Nobody is, I guess.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

She's of course more than welcome to leave the US government and become an American who can then have their own opinion.

Until then, every word that slips off her mouth regarding international relations, is potentially to be taken as one reflecting the actual US stance on international relations. If that is not the case, then the speaker of that government should make it clear that they're distancing themselves from her words.

That's how basic diplomacy works in the civilized world.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

Bullshit. People have jobs and they have private lives.

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

I don't know if anyone has said that she's not allowed to have an opinion. Was that a hyperbole or strawman, or a hyperbolic strawman? You decide.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

You can accuse (my argument) of all the nasty names you want.

[peristaltor.livejournal.com]

That's really all we have. Oh, and big mouths that spew them.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

No, we need to shut up and be the bogeymen for the world and never raise our heads or open our mouths.

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

Guns. Don't forget you have lots and lots of guns. This is why your opinions matter ;)

[telemann.livejournal.com]

It's a pretty bad opinion. Don't you think? :/

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Russians are generally too obtuse to handle intervention of a fifth-column nature in a climate where information is openly accessible. The USA manages to put a better PR spin on its own backing of wretched hives of scum and villainy, so it can present armed hostility and forcible overthrow of foreign governments as a good thing. Russia's open use of the iron law of force makes PR spins in any but the 'I have gun you obey' sense harder. It *can* be done, but situations like that of Ukraine aren't where Russia is best at doing it.