Friday WTF -- True or fake?

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

So which is first? The US national anthem, or a Russian folk song called The Daring Khazbulat?

Can you find the differences?

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Comments

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

And I thought Sir Francis Scott Key stole the tune from an old London drinking song.

[abomvubuso.livejournal.com]

Here's the full version.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

Is it just me or does the song open with a reference to the Hezbollah?

[abomvubuso.livejournal.com]

Khazbulat is just a Turkic male name that the song is referring to.

[policraticus.livejournal.com]

I hear the differences, but I can't articulate what they are. Very similar melodies, though. It would be easier without the awful droning singers. Maybe that is the way the The Daring Khazbulat should sound, but The Star-Spangled Banner does not lend itself to monotone, Kelly Clarkson. To Anacreon In Heaven was composed in the mid 18th century, I wonder how old the Russian song is?

[abomvubuso.livejournal.com]

The author is Olga Agreneva-Slavyanskata, a Russian folklorist born in 1847. That's the farthest back in time that the song could be traced to. But then again, she was known for collecting popular Russian folk lore and recording it. The song could be centuries old.

[policraticus.livejournal.com]

The melody of To Anacreon In Heaven was adopted as the US anthem in 1831. Assuming Agreneva-Slavyanskata flourished around the 1890's, certainly she would have heard the British/US melody in one version or the other. Curious. Of course, there are only so many ways to put notes together. And they are not exactly the same, by any means. Chances are this is just a nifty coincidence.

[symphonized.livejournal.com]

they don't sound alike to me, but I don't have a trained ear for music.

Maybe an audiophile would have a informed opinion on this.

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

I'd like to hear that in a black metal version.

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/09/finding-happiness-in-angry-music/279341/

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

[peristaltor.livejournal.com]

At least this guy does his own singing.

[abomvubuso.livejournal.com]

+1.

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

Many old folk songs share rhythmic, and sometimes melodic, structures, Often, this is because they are themselves variants of older tunes from which they both mutated from. I can see where both songs share some similarities, but that doesn't mean that one influenced the other in any way. It's more likely to say that both derived from similar previous influences.

(There's a whole field of research that chronicles the evolution of various tunes and lyrics throughout history. It's pretty fascinating - one of my favorites is the way we can trace how American Appalachian folk music evolved from earlier folk music of the British Isles, but also borrowed heavily from elements of African instrumental and vocal tribal music. Those protest songs about coal mining are the direct descendents of both the songs of Irish resistance and the akonting.)

[telemann.livejournal.com]

There's just a superficial similarity. But the tunes in both pieces are not the same.

[peamasii.livejournal.com]

While are a lot of similarities (time signature, major key, etc.), the SSB sounds more martial (it's almost like a military march when played at tempo) whereas the russian song's more folksy.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

Both songs lack the development in musical acumen that we see in the Hip Hop art form.

[stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com]

Can you find the differences

I can tell the difference. The Daring Khazbulat is in the wrong language and the words are completely different

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

Kudos, Colbert! That's so very Redneckistanian of you!

[ivankon.livejournal.com]

Not fake.But they are not aboslutely equal. First phrases are most similar:

Notes of USA anthem:
C C C E G C2 E2 D2 C2 E F# G
Notes of russian song:
G G G E G C2 C2 D2 E2 D2 C2 A

Rhythm:

Approximate duration of notes of USA anthem:
2 tiny, 3 short, 1 long, 2 tiny, 3 short, 1 long
Notes of russian song:
2 tiny, 3 short, 1 long, 2 tiny, 3 short, 1 long

Proof:

[luvdovz.livejournal.com]

Curious. At least two apparent music experts have chimed in, and their opinions seem to differ drastically.

Could it be *gasp* politics at play here, mhmmm? ;)

[ivankon.livejournal.com]

Just look to notes and compare yourself :)