[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Back in the day word leaked out of the Soviet Union that political dissidents were being incarcerated as mental patients. To be opposed to the outcome of the proletarian Revolution was seen as a symptom of psychosis. A rationale could easily be made that only a sick mind would seek to depose the all-powerful Communist Party. The logic of psychiatry is such that the profession is perfect as an instrument of political control. It is the ideal Orwellian power tool.

Thomas Szasz criticized the feigned shock and horror of American psychiatrists over this news. He pointed to a similar mechanism in the American version of the profession that characterizes defiant children as sick in the head. It is a nifty device that provides parents with the authority to dope up children when they become frighteningly disobedient. It also gives teachers the capacity to marginalize students who have yet to buy into the program of educational indoctrination.

In their work on the problem of social problems Malcolm Spector and John Kitsuse describe the political machinations of American and other Western psychiatrists to control the debate over the political aspects of psychiatry. When calls for an investigation into Soviet practices went out few sociologists had the cycles to spare on the project. Psychiatrists insisted on recruiting researchers who were not hostile to their profession. The fear that a sociological inquiry into Soviet abuses would be used to look into abuses on the other side of the Iron Curtain was not unfounded. After all the field of sociology was known to be critical of psychiatry including the famous Rosenhan experiment. (That study sent fake patients into mental "health" facilities in order to further open up the can of worms of psychiatric abuse.)

Psychiatry serves well as a loophole in the institution of civil rights. Anyone can be stigmatized as a mental case and denied rights supposedly guaranteed by the government. Children can be defrauded of their rights to parental contact when one or both parents rub government bureaucrats the wrong way. Once an individual has been sucked into the mental "health" regime they are never the same as before. Even if a victim of psychiatry escapes the brain damage of "treatment," they cannot escape the iron maw of official stigma. Certainly this is not completely the fault of psychiatry itself, but the profession resists attempts to strip it of such power. We can see this in Spector and Kitsuse's description of resistance to investigations into psychiatric abuse.

Do you truly believe that Western psychiatry is immune to the practices witnessed in the Soviet Union? Have you ever met anyone who is the victim of psychiatric abuse? Could it be said that any mental "health" patient has escaped psychiatric abuse?

Links: Thomas Szasz on the Soviet psychiatry. Spector and Kitsuse on psychiatric resistance to sociological investigation.

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Date: 6/1/14 17:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dexeron.livejournal.com
The problems with Rosenhan's methodology have been well documented, but even if we accept that some of his conclusions are valid, they are conclusions about the psychiatric profession from forty years ago. Is it your contention that psychiatry, as a practice, and the treatment of the mentally ill has not evolved at all in forty years?

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Date: 6/1/14 21:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
How do you feel about vaccines?

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Date: 6/1/14 19:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
You never tire of bashing psychiatry, don't you. It's the deadest dead-beaten horse I've ever seen online.

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Date: 7/1/14 07:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
That in no way addresses the above question.

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Date: 7/1/14 01:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] usekh.livejournal.com
Without it me and many of my friends would not be here today. So fuck that nonsense.

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Date: 7/1/14 17:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
Stay classy.

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Date: 8/1/14 04:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] usekh.livejournal.com
I am sure that made sense in your head.

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Date: 8/1/14 05:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
Respectfully, psychiatry does have a quite checkered history. There are many who would be here today but aren't because of activities carried out under its aegis.

The issue of Soviet psychiatry being misused against political dissidents is well known. Strangely enough, it is even more well known than Aktion T-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4), the systematic attempt by the Nazis to exterminate the mentally ill (judged incurable by... psychiatrists).

The notion of the "medical treatment of deviance" is well known; that is, it becomes an illness to be different, rather than somebody who suffers from an actual pathology. Homosexual orientations were considered a psychiatric illness until relatively recently. Gender Identity Disorder is listed in DSM-5. Thousands of women, whose behaviour was considered to uppity, were lobotomised.

Whilst there is a significant side of psychiatry which deal with those brain chemistry is a danger to themselves and others, we must not overlook the very significant use of psychiatry to achieve political objectives.

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Date: 9/1/14 15:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
As I said, this was a tradition in Russia that went back to at least the mid-19th Century as the fate of Chaadayev showed. Bolshevism simply took the idea from the Tsars and did it on a much vaster scale much more efficiently.

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Date: 7/1/14 02:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
I may be overlooking an obvious contradiction to what I'm about to say, but here goes....

Here in America, psychiatry doesn't pick a person at random and determine them to be crazy. Psychiatry doesn't find people, people find psychiatry (and whether psychiatry is bullshit or not does not change this).

I'm not claiming there is nothing unethical or immoral involved at all in western psychiatry, I'm simply claiming that western psychiatry isn't aggressive (or as aggressive?).

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Date: 7/1/14 14:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Chaadeyev might dispute the notion that this particular practice originated with the Soviets. At a purely abstract political level it's actually a genius move: declare that only a lunatic would disagree with the state and you remove grounds for any legitimate kind of dissidence. It was one of several lessons Bolshevism learned from Official Nationality rather well.

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Date: 7/1/14 23:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paft.livejournal.com
Do you acknowledge that there are people who are seriously mentally ill and cannot function unless they are on medication?

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Date: 8/1/14 01:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Next time I see someone with depression, I'll prescribe them a good dose of exercise and vitamins.

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Date: 8/1/14 06:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
Obviously, you're of the big pharma establishment(TM) for asking this question. We all just have to admit it, we're bought by the grand conspirators of the establishment to bring this amazing piece of scientific thought down like the good status quo tools that we are.

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Date: 8/1/14 16:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paft.livejournal.com
ss: I acknowledge that there are people who suffer from conditions that the average Jane or Joe would refer to as a mental illness.

Do you consider the term "mental illness" invalid? If so, why?

ss: I also acknowledge that there are people who take solace in chemical therapies.

By "take solace" what do you mean? Actually being able to communicate with others and function?

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