[identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
I'm sure most of you have heard of the Pacific Garbage Patch or Vortex as it is sometimes called. A vast amount of floating garbage that covers areas larger than Texas. A hazard to marine life and navigation, these patches have sprung up in every ocean but are especially notable in the Pacific.

As HowStuffWorks says:
"The Eastern Garbage Patch floats between Hawaii and California; scientists estimate its size as two times bigger than Texas [source: LA Times]. The Western Garbage Patch forms east of Japan and west of Hawaii. Each swirling mass of refuse is massive and collects trash from all over the world. The patches are connected by a thin 6,000-mile long current called the Subtropical Convergence Zone. Research flights showed that significant amounts of trash also accumulate in the Convergence Zone."

Given that Americans alone throw away enough disposable water bottles annually to ring around the planet, I don't see this lamentable trend reversing anytime soon. I was reminded of this today as California phased out plastic bags in grocery stores with the new year. It's a step in the right direction but as to the bigger problem, I have an idea.

Why not make this plastic garbage into something useful? And what is it that people need? Land. It's the one thing they're not making any more of. I can see it now - floating blocks as a base and building material, seaweed and waste composting into soil. Fishing platforms. The upsides are huge - plenty of oceanfront property, tropical climate, the curent lets you travel without going anywhere. We could call them Plastic Eden. There would be two of them so Plastic Eden West and Plastic Eden East (the single side).

Now sadly I lack the billions of dollars or any of the engineering expertise to make this viable but doesn't it sound like a great plan? Turns out that people are already floating ideas but frankly my name is better.

Is this a situation best left to the private sector or should governments get involved?

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Date: 2/1/14 02:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
A 19 year old Dutch student, Boylan Slat, has engineered a craft that would clean up the plastic within years.
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2415889/Boyan-Slat-19-claims-invention-clean-worlds-oceans-just-years.html)

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Date: 2/1/14 06:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
It depends. If there's no money to be made, but nonetheless is a problem for humanity, then it's a problem that needs to be solved by government. There is money to be made, however, in garbage. Norway and Sweden, for example, were forward thinking enough to build power plants that use garbage as fuel (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/world/europe/oslo-copes-with-shortage-of-garbage-it-turns-into-energy.html?_r=0). It's been so successful that they've had to import garbage from neighboring countries to meet demand. As for the logistics involved in gathering trash from the middle of the Pacific Ocean, I'm not sure if the numbers add up, but there's a possibility that the market can tackle this.

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Date: 2/1/14 07:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
I was looking for satellite images of the Great Pacific garbage patch, but it turns out it's not visible from space. As the Wiki page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch) says, "Despite its size and density, the patch is not visible from satellite photography, since it consists primarily of suspended particulates in the upper water column. Since plastics break down to even smaller polymers, concentrations of submerged particles are not visible from space, nor do they appear as a continuous debris field. Instead, the patch is defined as an area in which the mass of plastic debris in the upper water column is significantly higher than average."

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Date: 3/1/14 20:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
I found a single image. (http://www.treehugger.com/slideshows/natural-sciences/the-great-pacific-garbage-patch/#slide-top) I'm not sure which patch this is (I know there are several though).
Edited Date: 3/1/14 20:56 (UTC)

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Date: 3/1/14 22:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Yeah, I wished they had IDed the location of that one satellite photo I found.

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Date: 2/1/14 07:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Why not both? I mean governments and the private sector working in collaboration on such projects. There shouldn't always be an either-or dichotomy.

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Date: 2/1/14 07:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Maybe those wealthy government-oppressed liberty-adoring libertarians who've dreamt up the utopian floating cities (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasteading) where Freedom reigns supreme, would now like to take up the task and do some good to the environment?

...Unless it's unprofitable.

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Date: 2/1/14 21:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] msmichelle.livejournal.com
I'm all for a solution! If we want it done in an efficient, timely and technologically-advanced manner, it would be imperative to leave .gov out of the picture of course. Let capitalism reign on this humanitarian issue so it actually gets done.

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Date: 3/1/14 00:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
Waaaay (http://peristaltor.livejournal.com/50149.html) ahead of all y'all.

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