[identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Dear Progressives,

Turn-about being fair play, I figured that I'd write a mirrior of Bean's post But where to start?


A couple months back Johnathan Korman wrote an excellent post on the poles of american politics. In it was the following line ...the correct social order is natural but not effortless — without devotion to the correct social order, conservatives believe we devolve into barbarism.

Do you genuinely believe that if you'd been transported back to fifteenth-century London as a baby, you'd realize all on your own that witch-burning was wrong, slavery was wrong, that every sentient being ought to be in your circle of concern? If so I'd like to know why,because as far as I can tell Homo Sapiens today are no more mentally capable than the Homo Sapiens of 500 years ago. I assert that our current high quality of life has more to do with culture and technology than it does with any inherent superiority to those who came before us. The fact of the matter is that we live in a civil society where, for the most part, people raise their kids to obey the law, pay their taxes, and generally not kill each-other without a damn good reason. It is this state of civility that conservatives seek to conserve.

The majority of these conservation efforts focus on individual and family responsibilities/virtue. They operate on the theory that if you want innovation you need to reward innovation. If you want virtue reward virtue. If you want stable kids reward stable families, because barbarity is never more than a generation or two away. If you want good social order we must reward virtue and punish vice.

It is in this space that intent runs head-long into perceived intent, and I start to turn into my grandad...

Using anfalicious' recent example, I am simply flabbergasted that a "post-gendered society" is even a topic of discussion outside of science fiction. Feminism has moved from arguing that women should be treated equal and have the same rights as men, etc... To that that men and women should be interchangeable. I am expected ignore the fact that the burden of reproduction is carried disproportionately by the female of the species. I am expected to ignore the differences in biology. To ignore the different strengths and weaknesses of both and how they compliment each other. I am expected to be genderless. I am not therefore I am a misogynist.

Global warming is based on computer models that keep failing. Catastrophic predictions are constantly proven wrong and (surprise, surprise) the only solution ever proposed is higher taxes and greater regulatory powers. I suspect that a dog is being wagged therefore I am a "denier".

I don't want to live in a world of "Honor Killings" and medieval torture and I refuse to coddle or kow-tow to those that do therefore I am a Islamiphobe.

I oppose gun control therefore I want children to die.

I support voter ID laws therefore I am a Racist.

Fascist.

Terrorist.

Killer.

I could go on...

These are labels that have been applied to me by my so-called intellectual and moral "betters" in an effort to shut me up.

I am a dinosaur. Hear me roar.
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Date: 13/9/13 03:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
I'm not negating anything. Your terminology simply has nothing to do with biology.

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Date: 14/9/13 00:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
Seeing how the average person fared in Europe and the US during the IR, I think forcing Africa to go through that shit might be a bit racist itself.

More seriously, Africa is currently experiencing an improvement in their lives by bypassing the IR. MPesa is a good example, allowing people without wired infrastructure to transfer money. Smart Cards were developed in France, but Africa has employed them successfully to deal with rampant counterfeiting and allow other transactions. When the power requirements of these technologies is considered, it should be obvious that their lives will improve with only modest infrastructure, meaning the price per watt falls greatly.

Let's also consider the resurgence in managed pastoralism to produce more food with fewer industrial inputs while increasing soil health (and avoiding the inevitable IR-induced soil crisis and desertification). We in the west can learn a thing or two from African experiences.

(no subject)

Date: 14/9/13 00:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
If this were well and truly the case we wouldn't be strip-mining china for cadmium, and LNG and Nuclear plants wouldn't be facing so much opposition from the environmentalist community.

The problem is not so much "the environmentalist community" but the tech you cite. Steam-based solid-fuel nukes are a problem, (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1624509.html) a holdover from a failed US policy position. LNG is a desperate attempt to monetize fuel in a coming crunch when fuel prices will be sky-high, when reducing fuel needs would pay off in the long run. Cadmium is a trickier issue, but there is another tech out there that can help (That's the post I've been putting off).

(no subject)

Date: 16/9/13 03:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Wrong kind of law to use for an example. A better example would be ones that mandated separate things for whites and blacks.

(no subject)

Date: 16/9/13 14:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Which ones?

(no subject)

Date: 18/9/13 08:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
http://www.crmvet.org/info/seglaws.htm
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