[identity profile] comeonyouspurs.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
So Croatia has become the 28th state to join the European Union, the first state to join since 2 other Balkan states, Bulgaria & Romania, joined in January 2007, & the first ex-Yugoslavian state to join since Slovenia joined in May 2004 (& only the second to date). & now Serbia wants to join, too.

Unemployment is now at over 11.2% in Slovenia (it was 8.6% a year ago, & 13.6% in January, the same as in 2004).

The country [back to Croatia] is currently in its 5th year of recession, with unemployment at a record 21% & youth unemployment at 'over 40%' 52.4% (the 3rd-worst in Europe), after 7 years of EU-guided reforms. Corruption is still endemic in Croatia, which is not surprising for a country that was at war less than 2 decades ago. It is the 3rd-poorest country in the EU, after Bulgaria & Romania.

They will not be joining the Eurozone immediately, or the Schengen Area.

How might this affect the people of Croatia & its non-EU neighbours, i.e. Bosnia & Herzegovina, Serbia & Montenegro? What might be the benefits, & what might be the risks, if any? & for whom?

For example, Bosnia is not permitted to sell food to EU nations because of disagreements between the Federation of Bosnia & Herzegovina & the Republika Srpska over hygiene regulations, so Bosnia could be losing a major its main trading partner (& vv), due to the Common Agricultural Policy &c.

Some of us remain skeptical about the benefits of the neo-liberal EU project, as we have still not forgotten about the Greeks (joined 2001, at least 27.4% unemployed, more than twice the Eurozone's average) & the Spanish [4th largest economy in the Eurozone] (joined the Eurozone 1999, introduced banknotes & coins 2002, a record 27.2% unemployed recently). But those are just statistics - the human face of the economic crisis is the increase in the rates of general criminality, hard drug abuse, prostitution, suicides, & so on, e.g. the 1,250% increase in HIV/Aids among intravenous drug users in the first 10 months of 2011, compared with 2010, or the decreasing number of people being able to afford to buy a car.



Italy has just achieved an exceptional 12.2% unemployment rate, with a youth unemployment rate of 38.5%.

My opinions on the subject are predictable enough, if you know anything about my general interpretation of global capitalism. Public services get privatised, local industries suffer (local products replaced by foreign products at extra cost, companies & jobs lost). What are yours? I've left so much unsaid, but I'm trying to keep this short & bitter.

Croatia has become the latest member of the EU periphery: Croatia's accession is marked by public anxiety that it will be the latest fall guy of the EU political elite's neoliberal ideology, Eurozone joblessness at record high, inflation up, Eurozone unemployment hits fresh high: jobless rate reached 12.1% across the region in May, with youth unemployment nearing 24%

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Date: 1/7/13 21:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
Many claim Croatia has "chosen" a bad moment to join the EU, 10 years too late or something.

Except they didn't choose it. They had been trying to do this for quite a while. And, despite the problems, actually Croatia turns out to be in a much better shape than many of the recent recruits were at the time they joined - even before the crisis struck.

That said, Euroskepticism has never been so high in a newly-joining member, but that's got its objective reasons too.

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Date: 1/7/13 21:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
Oh, and bravo for making your first post. Didn't hurt much, did it? (BUT YOU JUST WAIT!!!)

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Date: 2/7/13 07:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
People are now fearing that the most visible and immediate effect of the EU entry would be the prices rising steadily until they reach the West-Europe levels. Didn't quite happen that way in the other recent joinees, but prices did rise a bit there, granted.

The other big thing is regulations and restrictions being imposed from outside. And that's probably the main point of contention with many Euroskeptics within Croatia. But no lunch comes for free, and taking such a major step like joining the Union had its price. Ultimately, it could turn out to be more beneficial than detrimental for Croatia in the long run. If anything, it'll put many things in order there, even if that won't be done entirely voluntarily.

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Date: 1/7/13 22:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Great post. You may already know about this, but Paul Krugman has a blistering opinion of austerity in the EUZone, but if you don't know about it, here's the link Paul Krugman: Today's Austerity Policies Based On 'A Mythical 70s That Never Was' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/19/krugman-austerity-policies_n_3303198.html) And an interview with Der Spiegel . (http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/interview-with-economist-paul-krugman-on-euro-zone-rescue-efforts-a-834566.html)
Edited Date: 1/7/13 22:25 (UTC)

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Date: 1/7/13 22:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Sure thing. A friend of mine is part Croatian, and is back home having a vacation there, I don't know how much tourism is a factor for the economy, but judging from the photos I've seen him post, it's just stunning scenery. Especially for swimming or scuba diving.

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Date: 2/7/13 04:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
I had the best time evar in Zagreb, Zadar and Split when I was young and free. And yes, it was mainly because of a sweet Croatian girl. Of course, that was when Tito was still in charge...

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Date: 1/7/13 23:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Holy shit Greece and Spain.

Surprise surprise, austerity made everything fucking worse. How many more years of failure do they need before they realize this?

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Date: 2/7/13 01:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
We're facing an election within the next few months that is basically about austerity vs. non-austerity. We don't have the debt and deficit levels of the rest of the OECD so there is no compelling reason to do it now, it's just typical neo-lib ideology refusing to face any real world facts. The annoying thing is that there is almost no talk in the media about how this is the right wing's plan.

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Date: 2/7/13 16:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I am reminded of the definition of insanity as doing the same thing over again and expecting different results.

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Date: 2/7/13 16:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I know some people who see the EU as a reincarnation of the Holy Roman Empire. They think it will usher in the Antichrist.

Do you see the EU as a potential route for Europe to get out from under the thumb of NATO, or will it merely perpetuate that archaic alliance?

Is Pula one of those places that Germans like to head to on vacation?
Edited Date: 2/7/13 17:00 (UTC)

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Date: 3/7/13 15:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
If you wait for something, it may never happen. The only way to be sure that it will happen is to go out and do it.

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Date: 3/7/13 16:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
We get a significant share of German tourists here in San Francisco. There are even pensions in the area that cater to German speaking nature lovers (Naturfreunde).

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Date: 2/7/13 17:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
I don't see any problem for Croatia in joining the EU, though I also see Schengen as one of the major benefits of the European project; does Croatia not want that, or does the rest of Europe not want to extend work and migration to Croatians?

Joining the euro as designed is the disaster behind all those high unemployment numbers (except for the UK, which adopted austerity policies because of ideological stupidity among the Tories); I've seen headlines saying both that it'll rush in and that Croatia will go slow.

"Public services get privatised, local industries suffer (local products replaced by foreign products at extra cost"

I haven't seen the first as an inherent trend in the EU, and EU regulations seem to do a lot to protect local products of note. Conversely, absent that, local products are typically replaced by foreign products which are *cheaper* (or better, or at least more prestigious), at the expense of local businesses.

(I'm a Krugmanite social democrat; suitably regulated competitive markets are great. "free markets" are a dangerous buzzword.)

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Date: 2/7/13 21:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
I didn't know they were obliged to enter Schengen. I know the euro is supposed to be obligatory, though Sweden's had a good run of "gosh, we're just not qualified, sorry".

I don't know what's going on with Slovenia. The other three are suffering from the effects of the euro, which I'm willing to believe weren't deliberate, and then of imposed austerity policies to deal with the eurocrisis, which might be deliberate evil or just wilful delusion.

Bosnia might be hurt but I though you were mostly asking about the effect on Croatia. Though reading your link, it looks like loss of cheap imports will hurt Croatians as well. Though also looks like that's an effect of unfortunate interactions between EU regulation and poor Bosnian governance, not anything deeply exploitative.

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Date: 3/7/13 07:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peamasii.livejournal.com
I have mixed feelings about Croatia joining, but I hope it works out well for them, and for the EU it s certainly a priceless central-european asset. My reservations about it have to do with how I see Croatia: an excellent, affordable, close-by vacation destination for many EU citizens, with an amazing Roman/Italian/Austrian cultural heritage and spectacular nature, yet risking to get overdeveloped in the direction of mainstream resorts, hotels, golf courses and casinos. Local industries might lose, while foreign investment will go up. Which means the prices will also go up once it accedes to the eurozone as well.
OTOH, Croatia is definitely up to EU-standards, its infrastructure, education and natural resources are above the norm as far as what I've seen. I've only been to Croatia twice, and mostly in Istria. It was fantastic and way superior in price/quality ratio with any Riviera destination. I'm surprised that it's taken this long for Croatia to accede, it is decades ahead in development when compared to countries like Bulgaria or Romania (my own country FWIW).

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Date: 3/7/13 15:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peamasii.livejournal.com
No, I didn't visit any islands at all, it will have to be next time... First time I was in Porec and we also visited Rovinj and Pula, the second time I was in Opatija and remained there for the whole 4 days, it was just too nice and I didn't feel like driving around.

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