[identity profile] rick-day.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Apologies for the last post. I meant to flesh it out but RealLife™ and Agents of the Trilateral Commission kept interfering. So let's try something in line with this month's subject, which is political corruption.

We all know that Prohibition causes corruption, blah blah... If one thinks about it, there is probably a HELL of a lot of corruption by 'official-types' who look the other way, from truckloads of meth to asscracks of prison mules.

Here in neighboring DeKalb County the cops were stumbling all over their Oaths trying to get side gigs as Protectors for Distributors.

No one on up wants to talk about this, other than the standard platitudes. It's almost as if on script. What can save us from this very real danger to our collective way of life?

Well, Big Bidness, of course!



Shively tore a page right out of the Starbucks handbook on Thursday. At a press conference, the former Microsoft manager announced plans to open chain stores offering a uniform, high-end product that satisfies America’s craving for a mild buzz. Except not coffee—pot.

"Yes, we are Big Marijuana," Shively, 45, brazenly told reporters, outlining his intent to bring in $100 million in investments to establish "the most recognized brand in an industry that does not exist yet.” Colorado and Washington, the two states that legalized marijuana for recreational use last fall, are slated to soon license pot growers, distributors, and retail outlets (and impose steep taxes and strict regulations). Shively says he and his partners plan about a dozen retail outlets in each state, followed by up to 100 in California, where sales of medical marijuana are legal according to state law.

So how will this work? First you get someone who knows how to legally organize a multi billion dollar network. Then you get yourself a respected Mexican to cheerlead; in this case, my all time favorite Mexican (after Santa Ana, that scoundrel!)

"Business investment” like Shively’s “will bring a solution to Mexico's huge crime problem," Fox told me. "Criminals won't be able to get the money because the money will be in the hands of people like Jamen.” Legal pot won’t eliminate the cartels, of course. But Fox’s point is that every dollar in pot sales that stays in the hands of a legal business doesn’t go to a violent gang across the border.

Back in the day, we used to say that only when big business embraces the concept, will cannabis be re-legalized. I still believe this. At worse, it will force Obama's hand on the issue (which I speculate he is delaying until after the 2014 election).

However, it could open up a completely new level of corruption, the kind we see only at the white collar level. Those in the black market will scramble to get a piece of the legal action. However, sometimes they don't take too kindly to competition. Takes the term 'hostile takeover' to a whole new  level, eh? It will definitely cause a shift in power with the liquor distribution system, giving the guys on bottom a real option to the micro monopolies liquor distributors have over permitted bars and clubs.

What do you see happening in this scenario? Another Marc Emery or Peter McWilliams - martyrs of the drug wars? Or the tipping of the scales [pun intended]?

The big questions is: how will Big Black Market Entrepreneurs respond?

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Date: 3/6/13 02:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
That film, Savages, pretty well describes what happens when serious players decide to run the hippies out of business.

Also, I've met Marc Emery, interesting guy.

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Date: 3/6/13 15:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Too salacious. Not just the sex, but the violence, In 30 years, I rarely saw a weapon.... We're not trying to perpetuate the stereotype, Oliver!
Edited Date: 3/6/13 15:59 (UTC)

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Date: 3/6/13 16:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Ha, I like salacious!

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Date: 3/6/13 16:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
The Mexican Mafia have the Mara in their pocket. Have you seen Sin Nombre?

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Date: 3/6/13 21:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
agreed, mostly because I'm sure Mexico has had enough excitement in the business to last them a lifetime...

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Date: 3/6/13 16:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I wonder if they will take a page from the Starbucks playbook and shut down the competition by jacking up their rent.

BTW, I know how pesky those Trilateralists can get.
Edited Date: 3/6/13 16:35 (UTC)

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Date: 3/6/13 21:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Of course the reality is that the big black market will just turn to harder drugs

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Date: 4/6/13 19:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Of course "black marketers" depend on the individuals involved, not everyone dealing in pot is in it for being a criminal, I know some out there wish that it can be legal so they don't have to hide everything.

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Date: 3/6/13 23:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
It gets criminals out of the pot business. Most pot users don't use harder drugs, especially when they can no longer get them from the dude they get their pot from.

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Date: 4/6/13 15:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Well no but... the harder drugs do have their regular customers

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Date: 5/6/13 06:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Yep, but the market isn't there for it anywhere near as much. Most people who use one hard drug will use many other drugs. There's heaps of people who smoke pot and only pot. One of the best arguments for legalisation is to make it so a large group of otherwise law abiding citizens no longer have to be involved in criminal activity.

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Date: 5/6/13 19:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Indeed there are those that would rather be law abiding. I would be nice to one day just be able to have a cannabis plant growing next to the rosemary :p

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Date: 6/6/13 05:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Precisely. Why can't I grow myself? No, I have to go and give criminals money instead.

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Date: 6/6/13 23:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Pretty easy actually. License people to grow and sell, huge fines for illegally growing and selling. A license requires doing a drug awareness course; teach people about hazards, addiction and the like.

I like well regulated sins. I think that we should be, largely, able to do what we want, but I appreciate that to make sure someone else's pleasure doesn't cause pain to someone else, we need to set limits on it.

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Date: 3/6/13 23:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Black Marketeers will either get legit, go to prison on something else or be killed.

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