>> Let's ensure that they have enough food, shelter, and medical care that they don't have to spend every spare minute struggling for these things, and stay healthy enough to work.
I.e. let's give them more food, shelter and medical care for free.
As expected, you DO want it simple and straight - but it's not.
So, there are Smith and Jones families, immigrants. Both have shitty place to live and junkfood cause that's what newcomers can afford. Babysitting and dish-washing for $X per hour. Smith family works harder, longer hours, establishes reputation, charges $(X+5) per hour, buys insurance and moves into better apartment. Jones family works not that effective so they can't raise prices and stay where they were.
And here come you and move Jones family in a better place, providing them for free all the things the other family has earned working hard. The fact that Smith's taxes were spent to keep you and to supply Jones family makes the situation even nicer.
>>And you imagine allowing people to get sick from malnutrition and descend into homelessness DOES work?
If we're talking about silly kids eating candies instead of a full meal - your language may apply. But we're talking about self-responsible adults whom you picture as silly kids requiring care. Otherwise I don't understand your constant willing to decide for the others what to eat and how to live.
I don't even think in terms of "allowing people" to do this and that, because I respect others, and I don't think my _ideas_ on how to live are better or worse than let's say yours. You, obviously, think that your ideas are the best, and other people shall be forced to do as you want.
>> We've tried . It didn't work. It just meant large numbers of people either dying or becoming disabled. Sorry, but this makes no sense. it's like saying in 1960 in the USSR, "We've tried to live without communist party, it didn't work." Or in Germany in 1940: "We've tried to live without World War 2, it didn't work." Or nowadays, "We've tried to live without Facebook, it didn't work."
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Date: 13/11/12 22:41 (UTC)I.e. let's give them more food, shelter and medical care for free.
As expected, you DO want it simple and straight - but it's not.
So, there are Smith and Jones families, immigrants. Both have shitty place to live and junkfood cause that's what newcomers can afford.
Babysitting and dish-washing for $X per hour.
Smith family works harder, longer hours, establishes reputation, charges $(X+5) per hour, buys insurance and moves into better apartment.
Jones family works not that effective so they can't raise prices and stay where they were.
And here come you and move Jones family in a better place, providing them for free all the things the other family has earned working hard.
The fact that Smith's taxes were spent to keep you and to supply Jones family makes the situation even nicer.
>>And you imagine allowing people to get sick from malnutrition and descend into homelessness DOES work?
If we're talking about silly kids eating candies instead of a full meal - your language may apply.
But we're talking about self-responsible adults whom you picture as silly kids requiring care.
Otherwise I don't understand your constant willing to decide for the others what to eat and how to live.
I don't even think in terms of "allowing people" to do this and that, because I respect others, and I don't think my _ideas_ on how to live are better or worse than let's say yours.
You, obviously, think that your ideas are the best, and other people shall be forced to do as you want.
>> We've tried . It didn't work. It just meant large numbers of people either dying or becoming disabled.
Sorry, but this makes no sense.
it's like saying in 1960 in the USSR, "We've tried to live without communist party, it didn't work."
Or in Germany in 1940: "We've tried to live without World War 2, it didn't work."
Or nowadays, "We've tried to live without Facebook, it didn't work."