[identity profile] zebra24.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Some wise man said once:
*Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech.
Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection.*

I wonder why Democratic party leaders, Obama and Clinton was so much against those anti-Muslim film maker? Even here in talk_politics I was blamed for defending those "provocateurs" rights.

Since when "provocateur" supposed to be an offensive epithet toward peaceful film-maker?
Why is that? Seems they forgot completely about freedom.
They don't understand it, don't need it, don't want it. They hate freedom.
I wouldn't defend that Romney is freedom fighter either, but at least he understands this issue.
I can't tell that Obama or Hillary does.

In their mind "freedom of speech" is to post pornographic collage with their political opponent faces. Seems like they are "ok" with any libel against republicans, libertarians, tea party and so on. Who said a word against that lie in democratic party? Anyone? Is it because of freedom of speech or what? "Kill the rich" is covered by freedom of speech, but shitty anti-Muslim video is not?


Where was that principle when Clinton promised to prosecute filmmaker behind incendiary Muslim Movie?? (also read here)

Seems like Obama's administration completely forgot about freedom, the only freedom they respect - their own freedom to lie and rule.
More government means more freedom for Obama, less for people.
Funny thing is that "democratic" media supposed to fight for freedom, helps them to lie effectively and don't question their decisions and lie at all. You can google "Charles Woods" but only Fox and abcnews have coverage for that.
In internet era at least few hours after information become widely available they still failed to report it. Such a liars.

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Date: 26/10/12 21:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
I like cheese.

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Date: 26/10/12 22:02 (UTC)

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Date: 26/10/12 22:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bailzzararco.livejournal.com
I thought they were prosecuting the film maker for tax evation or something like that.

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Date: 26/10/12 22:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
Image (http://devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com/pics/catalog/293/544)

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Date: 26/10/12 22:19 (UTC)
weswilson: (Magical Wes Animated)
From: [personal profile] weswilson

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Date: 26/10/12 22:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
I'm looking at that gif with "Big Man" by Freshlyground playing on Spotify and it is frankly mesmerizing...

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Date: 26/10/12 22:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
Freshlyground rulz.

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Date: 26/10/12 22:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Frankly I found the movie confusing.
Image
Maybe the Director's Cut explains what Voldemort & Jar Jar are talking about

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Date: 26/10/12 22:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
Tell me if you think that song works perfectly with that gif.

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Date: 26/10/12 22:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
Gee, all of this sounds so mavericky!

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Date: 26/10/12 22:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
Need. Moar. Definite articles.

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Date: 26/10/12 22:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Case in point.

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Date: 26/10/12 23:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
I imagined you writing this while wearing a banana suit.

Image

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Date: 27/10/12 00:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
lol

one of the few friday nonsense posts i enjoy
Edited Date: 27/10/12 00:05 (UTC)

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Date: 27/10/12 00:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Hahaha. DYING.

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Date: 27/10/12 00:27 (UTC)

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Date: 27/10/12 00:45 (UTC)
weswilson: (Magical Wes Animated)
From: [personal profile] weswilson

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Date: 27/10/12 00:46 (UTC)
weswilson: (Magical Wes Animated)
From: [personal profile] weswilson
but I can see how that works.. :)

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Date: 27/10/12 01:16 (UTC)

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Date: 27/10/12 03:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
Image (http://s744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/drewishdrewid/Macros/?action=view&current=koma-comic-strip-sometimes.jpg)

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Date: 27/10/12 03:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] major-dallas.livejournal.com
I can hear the theme to the Naked Gun playing to that. gif

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Date: 27/10/12 05:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Never seen the movie, but I'm guessing they're talking about the giant Independence Day UFO that's about to vaporize them.

I mean... I would.

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Date: 27/10/12 05:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
going for a word record, longest belch in history

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Date: 27/10/12 05:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Kind of like reviewing that Green Lantern movie.

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Date: 27/10/12 09:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Well done, Colbert!

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Date: 28/10/12 01:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
I didn't understand a word of this post, so I skipped it. Next time around I saw 20+ comments and thought "well, it's generating some discussion, I might check that out".

Thankyou Talk_Politics :)

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Date: 30/10/12 09:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
It is interesting (and by that I mean sad and pathetic) to note just who here "doesn't get" this post and how they don't see the hypocrisy you're pointing out. They'd rather just make fun rather than actually think about the implications.

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Date: 30/10/12 09:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
You return from a 3-day ban, and the first thing you do is call "certain people" pathetic. Not a good start.

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Date: 30/10/12 14:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Oh, we get it just fine. It's a long screed ranting about why liberals aren't being the usual traitors to America and all it holds dear, trying to poison its precious bodily fluids with Communist mind-control devices and instead back a Democrat when he's in office. It includes the OP's invariable obsession with anti-Islamic rhetoric, as though a miniscule portion of the USA could hold down the entirety of the rest of it (between them the gangbangers and MS-13 are more than sufficient to smash any would be US Taliban) and throws the word Freedom around like a chimp throwing its own shit in a zoo and with just as much meaning in the word itself. We're just taking it as seriously as it deserves, which is as seriously as Uwe Boll's pretense at being a film-maker.

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Date: 31/10/12 10:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
If that's how you want to read that, that's on you.

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Date: 31/10/12 10:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
You claim to get it and then detail all the the things that show you don't. Keep on keeping on.

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Date: 31/10/12 10:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
If by "you", you meant the majority of members, then yes.

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Date: 31/10/12 11:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
I don't mean that here, no. I mean you specifically.

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Date: 31/10/12 12:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Return to your initial comment. It's a thinly veiled ad hominem against a group of people. There's no way that could be interpreted as an innocently intended "observation". Especially in the context of your post from yesterday, which included yet another thinly veiled ad hominem.

If some of the responses you got are shocking to you, that's more likely a result to 1) either your inability of self-introspection, or more likely 2) a deliberate attempt to ignite a group of people for your own amusement. If you expected that this wouldn't get called out, you were mistaken.
Edited Date: 31/10/12 12:19 (UTC)

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Date: 31/10/12 13:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
But of course saying what 'it' is is beyond your mighty intellect as that would mean treating the plebes as people worthy of respect, eh?

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Date: 31/10/12 18:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
It's not an ad hominem as there's no dismissal of any argument by virtue of the nature of the person. It is an observation on the comments people are making and then making a conclusion about the person from that. And the point is that they are making these comments not just on my post but on any post that doesn't agree with their decided beliefs.

The responses aren't shocking, they are just sad and pathetic, and I don't think they are understanding what they are doing, since they keep denying that they are doing it.

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Date: 31/10/12 18:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
It's not that difficult to get (I thought), so if people would step up to even try, then we could meet in the middle and get somewhere.

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Date: 31/10/12 18:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
an observation on the comments people are making and then making a conclusion about the person from that

I.e. attacking the person rather than the point, which is ad hominem. When you speak of denial, perhaps you should start by looking at yourself.

As has been said, the responses you reap are the ones you sow in your post. Had you omitted the generalized ad hominem part, you would've probably reaped a much different set of responses.
Edited Date: 31/10/12 18:31 (UTC)

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Date: 31/10/12 18:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
No, it's not attacking the person.

Had you omitted the generalized ad hominem part, you would've probably reaped a much different set of responses.

I've seen no indication that this is true. And that's not just from my posts.

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Date: 31/10/12 19:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Indications mean nothing. Facts mean something. Try it next time, and we'll see.

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Date: 1/11/12 19:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
I understand his point quite well. Muslims are evil, so the President doing anything at all with them other than initiating genocide is evil, and freedom is not possible under a black Democrat.

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