[identity profile] blondebaroness.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
I'm preparing to teach 6th grade and am reading the "Reader" that will be used in my class. The story in question is "The Skill of Pericles" by David Scott Meier. It is a play about ancient Greek teens trying to discover what Pericles will give a prize for. It turns out that he's looking for the individual who is the best friend.

The quote I want to talk about is this: "The first prize in a democracy goes to those who give, not to those who have."

When I was in 6th grade, democracy was defined as "the art of self-discipline, so that one need not be disciplined by others."

How would you explain democracy to 11-12 year olds?

Go!

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Date: 17/8/12 15:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghostwes.livejournal.com
To paraphrase Bovard: "Two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner."

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Date: 20/8/12 00:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foolsguinea.livejournal.com
e_e Yeah, sure, like apex predators ever get a majority of warm bodies.

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Date: 17/8/12 15:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
What is first prize anyways? Can I exchange it for a hat or some chewing gum?
Edited Date: 17/8/12 15:13 (UTC)

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Date: 17/8/12 16:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Not really. Democracy is more about diminishing the power of any one individual so they can't take as much as they otherwise could. A byproduct of that is (hopefully) that more people get what they want than otherwise.

It is unfortunately a human government system and has to deal with humans, which means that the only tools you have to work with are greed and envy, not much else.


What you're looking for is more like socialism. I'm a big fan of socialism.
Edited Date: 17/8/12 16:07 (UTC)

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Date: 18/8/12 00:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] musicpsych.livejournal.com
This might be open to interpretation based on how it was translated, but it could be that "giving" in this sense is "participating," i.e., voting, participating in politics, giving time, giving thought, giving attention, etc. I don't think "giving" means something like "giving money to charity" (at least, I hope not).

To teach them, maybe you could have them vote on things in the classroom, maybe make a ballot so they vote on a few things, or even have them pick positions and campaign. Not fundamentally important things, but maybe more like, "which poster should we hang up," "should we line up in alpha order or reverse alpha order," etc.

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Date: 18/8/12 01:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
Democracy is about giving. It's about contributing one's time, attention and effort to share in the common business of studying important issues, negotiating between competing interests to find compromise, making difficult decisions and reaching out to everyone to involve them in the process. It is about caring about one's country, its people and its values.

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Date: 17/8/12 15:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
Democracy is simply the sharing of political power between (or diffusing it, it you will) the people and not concentrated within a small group of people (an oligarchy) or a king or a dictator. The Greek experiment of democracy would have involved everybody voting on every law, which is direct democracy, but in the USA we have a representative democracy, in which citizens elect officials to write and vote on laws.

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Date: 17/8/12 15:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chron-job.livejournal.com
Both those quotes seem to be not explanations of Democracy, but descriptions of traits which some democratic societies have inculcated in order to further themselves.

I seems to me that an "Explanation" would be more of a "definition". One that would work with 11-12 years olds (Damn! none of the big words I so dearly love!)

"Democracy is when what I want is as important as what you want, and just as important as what that guy over there wants. So we all have to work together to figure out the best ways to decide what to do."

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Date: 17/8/12 15:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] macychick.livejournal.com
When I was in 6th grade (or 7th grade, or whenever) I was taught that a democracy is a government system in which the people rule.

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Date: 17/8/12 15:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
When it is, in fact, a government system in which the people RAWK.

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Date: 17/8/12 15:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
"Democracy is a little tweeting bird chirping in the meadow. Democracy is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD."

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Date: 17/8/12 15:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
The rule of the people. It's the literal translation of the Greek word, Demos + Kratia.

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Date: 24/8/12 05:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Isn't it Kratos, the Olympian God of power?

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Date: 24/8/12 05:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Oh, and using the literal translations is how I often begin a discussion on Democracy with teens. It obviously isn't sufficient, but it's a good starting point as it brings you into discussing the differences between something like the direct, but selective suffrage, democracy of ancient Greece and the universal suffrage, representational democracy that we have.

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Date: 17/8/12 17:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
A democracy tries to please the majority. A republic tries to please everyone. A democratic republic tries to do both, which is somewhere near impossible and might be the root of all our political arguments.

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Date: 18/8/12 12:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
To a 10 year old? Hm... I would say democracy is what happens when you let people learn how to read and write.

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Date: 18/8/12 15:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
Google is your friend (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100320123305AAkYIwk).

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Date: 20/8/12 14:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] comeonyouspurs.livejournal.com
http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/d/i.htm#dictatorship-bourgeois

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Date: 24/8/12 05:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Are you in America? If so, "he* with the most cash, wins." will suffice.

*Deliberately he.