George Zimmerman is a God Warrior!

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

A few new details have come out in the case of George Zimmerman that I think ought to be brought to light in this community.





For one, Zimmerman and his lovely wife commmitted perjury!

This is particularly relevant as it shows a. a disrespect for the law, and b. George Zimmerman is perfectly happy lying when it suits his needs. Given that he is the sole witness to the murder that should cast some serious doubts on his inconsistent story!

Or is he the only witness?

Then of course is the revelation that Zimmerman sexually assaulted his cousin for more than a decade. Why is a sexual assault relevant to Zimmerman's second degree murder charge? Amanda Marcotte of Slate puts it well;

"In fact, accusations like these are completely relevant for two major reasons. The first is that, as feminists have been saying for decades now, sexual assault isn't really just a matter of someone's horniness overtaking him and causing him to pig out on a woman's body as if he hasn't eaten all day and she's a piece of cake shoved in front of him. Sexual abuse is a form of bullying, a violent crime whose pleasure for the attacker is far more about enjoying their power and dominance over the victim than it is about sexual urges. Subsequently, sexually violent men tend to be more violent generally, particularly against people they believe are lesser or weaker. If you're trying to establish that Zimmerman had it in him to hunt down and murder a teenager who is much smaller than himself, than a history of sexual assault does help demonstrate this.

Also: A lot of the prosecution's case depends on establishing whether or not Zimmerman is a glib liar who is capable of viciously attacking people and then playing the innocent "who me?" card while insinuating that the victim was asking for it. Pretty much all men who sexually assault women have developed an ability to do this; part of the routine of a rapist is terrifying and hurting someone only to convince the community to embrace him after the fact and write off the victim as hysterical, a liar, or a slut trying to cover her tracks. We know that most sexual assailants are repeat offenders—indeed, this is what the accuser in this case is claiming of Zimmerman—which means they have a lot of opportunities to practice playing innocent and blaming the victim after they've committed the crime. If the prosecution wants to establish that Zimmerman is the kind of guy who is capable of assaulting and even murdering someone and then playing innocent victim, a history of cutting his teeth as a sexual assailant helps establish that narrative."

Oh and his cousin also claims that his entire family has a bit of a problem with the blacks! Surely that will help out if there is to be a federal hate crime charge and conviction

Of course Zimmerman doth protest

How has the latest information affected your opinion in the case? Is any of this new information relevant in your mind to the case? Was Trayvon Martin's murder all part of God's plan???

Comments

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

Didn't you hear? What happened between Zimmerman and Treyvon was all part of "God's plan". So it's all ok, or something.

God hates Skittles, or something.

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

I'm going to go fold my laundry, go out for a slice of pizza and come back to find this post has 200 replies already, aren't I?

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Today I learned that accusations and charges are just as good as iron-clad convictions, and that people still don't understand how the religious talk.

For one, Zimmerman and his lovely wife commmitted perjury!

No, his wife was charged (http://articles.cnn.com/2012-06-12/justice/justice_florida-zimmerman-wife_1_account-affidavit-bond?_s=PM:JUSTICE) with perjury, mainly because the prosecution, who've hardly been saints through all of this, believes that she knew how much money was in the fundraising account. We'll see if it sticks.

Then of course is the revelation that Zimmerman sexually assaulted his cousin for more than a decade. Why is a sexual assault relevant to Zimmerman's second degree murder charge? Amanda Marcotte of Slate puts it well;

First, it's not relevant because it literally has nothing to do with the case. And there's no "revelation," it's an accusation, and a fairly convenient one at that.

Oh and his cousin also claims that his entire family has a bit of a problem with the blacks! Surely that will help out if there is to be a federal hate crime charge and conviction

There will be no hate crime charge federally, as the FBI's investigation predictably turned up no evidence of racism (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0712/FBI-report-No-evidence-George-Zimmerman-is-racist). That dog won't be hunting.

How has the latest information affected your opinion in the case? Is any of this new information relevant in your mind to the case? Was Trayvon Martin's murder all part of God's plan???

Seeing as we don't really have any new information in reality? Not much. The preponderance of evidence released to this point fairly well matches Zimmerman's account on the matter, and while I can't rule out a manslaughter charge, I still cannot see how a murder charge of any kind can hold up.

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

Trayvon was just "dark-sided"

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

Sexual assault, racism, the second amendment, and Fox News should be good for at least that.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

My icon says all that needs to be said about fundamentalists in general.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

I doubt that the material Creator of the flat and immobile Earth played any role in the affair.

The latest information does not change my mind about the case. I simply hope that justice will be done in the end. It is not my place to determine whether or not the man is guilty, nor would I want to be put in that position.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

And I thought it was the ice tea.

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

Today I learned that accusations and charges are just as good as iron-clad convictions, and that people still don't understand how the religious talk.

Huh?
No, his wife was charged with perjury, mainly because the prosecution, who've hardly been saints through all of this, believes that she knew how much money was in the fundraising account. We'll see if it sticks.
Committing perjury and being charged with perjury are not mutually exclusive. You forgot that the judge agreed with the prosecution also!

First, it's not relevant because it literally has nothing to do with the case. And there's no "revelation," it's an accusation, and a fairly convenient one at that.

It's completely relevant to George Zimmerman's disposition and power complex. It also fits the definition of revelation.

rev·e·la·tion/ˌrevəˈlāSHən/
Noun:
A surprising and previously unknown fact, esp. one made in a dramatic way.
The making known of a secret or the unknown.

Isn't it convenient that facts that fuck with Zimmerman's narrative are always convenient?

There will be no hate crime charge federally, as the FBI's investigation predictably turned up no evidence of racism. That dog won't be hunting.
Predictably? How could you predict that?


Seeing as we don't really have any new information in reality? Not much. The preponderance of evidence released to this point fairly well matches Zimmerman's account on the matter, and while I can't rule out a manslaughter charge, I still cannot see how a murder charge of any kind can hold up.

Is there a confirmation bias tag I can add?

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Ops. Edited, because I meant to reply to BDJ :P

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

God works in mysterious ways.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

First, it's not relevant because it literally has nothing to do with the case.

If Zimmerman testifies, his testimony could be challenged because of these allegations, and gets to character. All pertinent in court cases. Happens all the time in court. Sorta like the fact conservatives apparently made a big deal about Trayvon's issues at school means he was a big ole trouble maker, and got what he had coming.

[dexeron.livejournal.com]

people still don't understand how the religious talk

It's less that we misunderstand them, and more that we've lost patience with the moral bankruptcy of the empty platitutdes with which they habitually shirk responsibility.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Huh?

You seem to think any of these accusations and charges are proven, and assume they have merit.

Committing perjury and being charged with perjury are not mutually exclusive. You forgot that the judge agreed with the prosecution also!

And was she convicted, or was the new information that was put forward enough to make a change on the bond level?

It's completely relevant to George Zimmerman's disposition and power complex.

It's irrelevant to the case, and, more importantly, completely without evidence.

Isn't it convenient that facts that fuck with Zimmerman's narrative are always convenient?

Not really. Those who think Zimmerman did something wrong are throwing everything against the wall and hoping something sticks. This isn't news.

Predictably? How could you predict that?

Mainly because there was nothing in the case up to this point that pointed at racism.

Is there a confirmation bias tag I can add?

I will gladly add that to this post if that's what you want. I feel your post is an excellent example of it.

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

Won't Zimmerman pretty much have to testify? My understanding was that to claim self-defense, his testimony is required.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

I have my doubts it will even make it into the case, never mind make it past the empty accusation stage.

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

It will make it to the case if Zimmerman's defense includes his character...basically saying he is too good a fellow to do anything as horrible as a racially motivated murder.

Publicizing Witness 9 is the prosecution telling the defense that if they try to make Zimmernman's character part of his defense, they will cream him in rebuttal.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

This works under the assumption that Witness 9 will be somehow more important than all the other witnesses.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

They have drugs for that.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

You could have simply deleted it.

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

Someone in the prosecutor's office thinks she is compelling.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

But I didn't want to.

XOXOXO!

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

You seem to think any of these accusations and charges are proven, and assume they have merit.

And you seem to believe anything that comes out of Zimmerman's mouth. I'd be happy to discuss particulars but I posted to multiple links and I don't know which ones you are referring to as without merit.
And was she convicted, or was the new information that was put forward enough to make a change on the bond level?

Huh? Not mutually exclusive again bro. She hasn't been tried yet. Zimmerman's bond was raised 8 fold and significant restrictions on his person were imposed. Are you still of the position that they weren't lying by omission???

It's irrelevant to the case, and, more importantly, completely without evidence.

Yeah I already posted why I think it is relevant. If you wanna put on your big boy pants and offer an explanation as to why it is irrelevant go for it. Also witness testimony is evidence. Significant evidence. Especially in cases of sexual assault. Not to mention her entire fucking family met with him at a restaurant where he apologized for being a perv.
Not really. Those who think Zimmerman did something wrong are throwing everything against the wall and hoping something sticks. This isn't news.

That's generally how a criminal prosecution works. Evidently that's news to you.
Mainly because there was nothing in the case up to this point that pointed at racism.

I don't think you really get racism. Its a pretty insidious beast.
I will gladly add that to this post if that's what you want. I feel your post is an excellent example of it.

Go for it. I feel the same way about you!

[rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com]

Seriously this. I spent the better part of four months this year reading Leibniz, Augustine, and Aquinas. I get the arguments. They are lacking.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Someone in the prosecutor's office also thinks they can hang a murder 2, though.