Suddenly, "ObamaCare" sounds like a nice thing!

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

It may not be, but at least in its current form it is perfectly constitutional law.

It passed 'muster'.

Nothing fancy, just a question. Or three

How does the SCOTUS decision upholding the reforms now known fondly as ObamaCare play into the political fight?

Is this a political victory or just another 'reason' to elect the Mittens "I'll dismantle ObmamaCare and replace it with RomneyDon'tCare"

Me? I think it's kind of cool and a step toward a Star Trek™ Universe. As a small business person, I can use the tax credits and we REALLY want to provide affordable health care to our staff and managers. I"m surprised, but not disappointed. This system is fucked. ObamaCare is a good start.

Comments

[meus-ovatio.livejournal.com]

It wasn't ever going to change anyone's vote.

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

Were you surprised to hear it was Robert's as the swing vote? I wonder what his rationale was from a conservatives point?

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

You know the game (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/261191.html). 1 hour.

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

Look, when I want to be first in line, I'll throw up something. Then I go back and edit it. By the time you pulled rule 8, I had already complied.

Hope your sex trigger is not that quick :D

[devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com]

The first major question in healthcare today is: will conservatives' doctor visits to have their titties un-twisted be covered?

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

Not if they suspect it will cause an abortion.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Hahaha.

QOD!

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

hahahah1

[hardblue.livejournal.com]

So-called Obamacare was really the conservatives' compromise position on universal healthcare, until they decided that maybe they didn't need to compromise at all. I was kind of hoping the conservatives on the Court might overreach and nullify the law, and then we might be able to go for single-payer.

[sealwhiskers.livejournal.com]

Ain't never gonna happen in the US. When I moved here I wished for it (and still do), but too many here just don't get it, and corporate money don't support it.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

Its not a great program, but at least it does give people the idea we really can move towards catching up with the rest of the world.

[mikeyxw.livejournal.com]

Or it will become a political football and rather than fixing a flawed bill our elected officials will spend their time playing chicken with a pissing match thrown in.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

This is going to be epic. I will find it interesting to see how many people find the Court making decisions on the issue of campaign finance and on this to be directly the inverse when it's the same people in the same situation.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Wait, wait, wait.....you do realize that to get to Star Trek we need supermen waging a worldwide destabilizing war *and then* WWIII as a general nuclear exchange after it? Screw Star Trek.

[foreverbeach.livejournal.com]

I think this will make for a great political spectacle.

[policraticus.livejournal.com]

I'll just repeat myself.

Headline: OBAMA IMPOSES HUGE TAX INCREASE ON STRUGGLING AMERICANS. -SCOTUS

And then expand.

By upholding the ACA under the taxing power of Congress and rejecting the Commerce Clause argument, SCOTUS does two things to the Obama campaign.

1. It makes Obama look deceitful. For the entire debate he was adamant. ADAMANT. The ACA was not in anyway a tax. He derided Republicans for claiming it was a tax. He went so far as to belittle poor George Stephanopolis for trying to argue it was a tax. Then, when he got to the Supreme Court, his strategy was to say, Why you bugging about the scope of the Fed being expanded without any limits? Its is just another tax!

2. It makes it clear that the entire argument about how this was working with the private sector and how the goal was to promote savings and "bend the cost curve downward," was just empty rhetoric. This is a tax meant to fatten the government coffers and then redistribute the money to those bureaucrats decide are worthy. The only virtue this has is that means they can't actually force me to buy broccoli, but they can tax me for the privilege of preferring green beans.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Which to put it bluntly is no different than taxing pacifists to pay for the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars in terms of the government forcing people to do things they disagree with. But you never see arguments from pacifists that they should be entitled to one set of legal standards while everyone else is entitled to another.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

You sure you titled the post right?

Shouldn't it be" Romneycare Passes, Obama pissed!"

Romney pushes his mandate:


Obama against mandate:

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Mitt is very thrilled, but he's very sad. He'll stake a position on this decision, but you need to give him some time.

He needs to cover a lot of bases with a generic bland comment. But first "CAN I SAY I LOVE FREEDOM!!??"

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

Maybe if we're lucky it's opponents would rage quit and move to Somalia or something.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

Better yet: Canada.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

You profess to be a business person who wants to provide health care to his employees. How un-American of you! No true-blue American wants their staff to be healthy without paying through the nose. Why don't you go back to Sweden where you belong?

[merig00.livejournal.com]

Hehe can't wait for the reverse spin on the whole "5:4 decision to struck ACA means the court is politicised" statements Dems and media were running the whole week.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

DEMS! DEMS DEMS MEDIA MEDIA!"

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

I declare today SCOTUS FESTIVUS!!

/let the airing of grievances begin!

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

[politikitty.livejournal.com]

And for anyone who'd like to cry over the increase in taxes, please remember that this graph is pretty easy to read (http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?Docid=3355&DocTypeID=2). So even idiots can quickly be told that the tax increase will be borne ENTIRELY on the upper quintile.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

There's been a lot of crying already, so thanks for that important information.

[tinylegacies.livejournal.com]

My understanding is that ObamaCare is really similar to the healthcare plan Romney put in place in MA so would him being in office really make a difference?

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

Romney will do whatever gets him popularity. In MA it gave him popularity to impliment this, but if it was more in his interest to repeal it, he would do so at the drop of a hat.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

Question: Did SCOTUS address the whole commerce clause issue in some way or not?

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Roberts's opinion pretty much sidestepped it.

I do suggest reading it, it's a work of art. Take some aspirin first, it's painful.

[merig00.livejournal.com]

Question#2: Decision on medicare - does it mean that if states decide not to participate in ACA, feds can't penalize them by withdrawing funds?

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

Specifically they are not required to work on expanding medicare eligibility.

Don't you have an internet connection to google this yourself though?