[identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Among the Democratic circles within which I travel, it is taken as a given that Governor Mitt Romney, now the all-but-nominated nominee of the Republican party, cannot talk about his wealth without causing himself trouble. Certainly, the issue has provided grist for the mill for both his opponents in the Republican primaries and the Democratic party as it looks ahead to the national campaign. It took significant pressure on the Romneys from his primary rivals to release their tax information, disclosing a net worth of $250 million and annual income in the 10s of millions, over half of which came from investments taxed well below the typical income tax rate. Governor Romney has had several ham fisted moments where his wealth left him vulnerable to charges of "not understanding" the "typical American". When trying to "connect" with NASCAR fans, he casually mentioned how he was friends with some of the owners. Trying to connect with voters in Michigan, the state he was born in and where his father was a popular governor, he talked about his family's American made cars, include a "couple of Cadillacs" his wife drives. There are more from the trail, but made-for-soundbite issue is that when Mitt Romney mentions his money, he leaves himself open for attacks about his alleged insensitivity to "normal" Americans.



There are three arguments regarding Mr. Romney that a smart campaign out to be able to turn to his advantage.

1) The Candidate Does Not "Understand" Normal Americans: I have to say that as a voter, among the reasons that I would not prefer a Romney Presidency, his alleged inability to understand me ranks somewhere below his odd fixation on the height of the trees in Michigan. Truth be told, I am unsure how much ANY American President has EVER "understood" so-called "normal" Americans. Mr. Romney was born into wealth and from that starting point, built a personal fortune that means he never has to really think about money again. That's distorting to be sure, but Presidents seem to come from fairly distorted circles by the time they reach the office. President Obama is currently wealthy although neither he nor his wife started that way. On the other hand, Mr. Obama is clearly possessed of an impressive intellect and his personal biography, while fascinating, can hardly be called "normal". President Bill Clinton was often praised for his "common touch" but he was also clearly an uncommon man, possessed of a vigorous intellect and insatiable appetites -- seriously, what normal man gets this worked up over cake? Was Ronald Reagan's Hollywood past "normal"? JFK's family? Eisenhower's military career? Wilson's college presidency? Anything about Teddy Roosevelt? George Washington's status as a gentleman estate holder?

The fact is that while we often favor presidential candidates who can talk "common" we usually reward the Presidency to very uncommon people. The question really isn't whether or not Governor Romney can understand how much I wince when I see my Con Edison bill every month...it is whether or not a President Romney will pursue policies that make our energy future more or less secure than it is now.

2) The Role of "Creative Destruction" in an Economy: It is an odd Republican primary season when a former private equity CEO like Governor Romney is attacked on his RIGHT by candidates trying to alienate him from voters by highlighting alleged negatives about the work of Bain Capital under Romney's stewardship. It is a given that the Obama campaign will pick up some angles of this populist attack on the role of private equity in our economy and Mitt Romney's specific role in the field.

It will be a shame if the conversation is limited to Mr. Obama accusing Mr. Romney of profiting from the destruction of jobs and Mr. Romney simply countering with accusations that Mr. Obama has simply destroyed jobs. The fact is that the role private equity firms play in our economy is complex, frequently very useful and worthy of examination and understanding. There is little sign of an edifying conversation on that happening any time soon, but the balance of private equity generating efficiencies in the economy versus the loss of jobs at PE managed firms versus the valuable returns to investors...including public sector pension funds...is a conversation worth having. And Mr. Romney is well qualified to help Americans better understand how their economy works -- if he is willing to risk the conversation.

3) Governor Romney's Character: Romney has had many calumnies hurled at him during his political career, some of the worst during this primary season. He has somehow survived them all to become the Republican nominee but with his character and credentials fairly battered.

A thought that ocurred to me when the Romney tax return was finally released in January was that his investment income said something very interesting about him. His tax records showed about 21 million in long term capital gains paid to the Romneys over two years, about 12 million of that in carried interest as part of his retirement package as a partner in Bain.

I can see the attacks that can come from that disclosure, but I can also see the praise worthy side of it. Namely, Governor Romney IS conservative -- in the best meanings of the word. A fortune of $250 million is able to generate a LOT of revenue, especially if the fortune holder is putting it into high risk, high yield ventures. If more than half of the Romney investment income is coming from carried interest at Bain, it means that other portions of his investment portfolio are likely parked in fairly conservative, income bearing accounts. In other words, Mr. Romney is prudent and cautious, characteristics that could be spun very positively for a candidate looking to steward an economy that can be charitably called "nervous". While candiate Romney has endorsed the Ryan budget, looking at what I can intuit of his character, I have trouble picturing him looking at the balance sheets and doubling down on numbers that don't add up unless I become convinced that he could inflict upon the country what he would never consider for himself.

None of this convinces me to vote for the man because the totality of his political agenda is far outside of what I want in the White House, but I think Governor Romney should learn how to talk about his money -- there are some instructive moments there waiting for the electorate.

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Date: 4/6/12 19:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
Pst! Rich Text format =/= html! ;)

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Date: 4/6/12 19:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
On topic: if the Mittens can turn his biggest flaw to advantage (namely: his flip-floping nature), then he'd be a formidable candidate. But, seeing the gaffes his campaign strategists have been able to come up with in the very beginning of his campaign (Amercia, anyone? / no black faces on his ads? come on...), I remain fairly sceptical about that. But you never know. He could pull some rabbits out of his... ehm, vaults. And if he doesn't pull any, he could buy some. ;)

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Date: 5/6/12 17:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I hear that flip flops go over big with Jimmy Buffett fans.

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Date: 4/6/12 20:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Presidents aren't normal, you're right. It requires an uncommonly high streak of narcissism and the uncommon ability to talk every day, all day, to all kinds of people, and make all kinds of effort in self-marketing and promotion and network building... it is perhaps the weirdest and most insufferable sort of job there is.
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Date: 5/6/12 17:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Nah it's not that bad, but at the end of the day you feel like grease and industrial cleaner and smell weird heheh
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Date: 5/6/12 19:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terminator44.livejournal.com
Try cleaning a chainsaw sometime, you pussy.

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Date: 5/6/12 20:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
o_O

How on earth was that called for I was just making a joke here, geesh

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Date: 5/6/12 20:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
I was just thinking back to a dirty aftershool job I had. I don't know what the chainsaw is about, and I may not have ever been a lumberjack or construction worker, but I do yardwork from time to time, often because it just needs to be done.

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Date: 6/6/12 23:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terminator44.livejournal.com
I've had to clean chainsaws so they could be repaired. Trust me, it's not pretty.

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Date: 5/6/12 20:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Real men use a herring.

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Date: 4/6/12 20:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonathankorman.livejournal.com
Considering the Karl Rove strategy of “attack the other candidate for your own candidate's weaknesses”, I think you've just laid out the playbook for Romney's anti-Obama pitch.

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Date: 4/6/12 20:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonathankorman.livejournal.com
Not to worry. I'm sure they've already thought of all that.

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Date: 5/6/12 02:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notmrgarrison.livejournal.com
Whereas Pelosi only has 100 million and Ivy League Obama is only in the tens of millions, while the rest of us cling to our thousands of dollars.

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Date: 5/6/12 03:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Obama's estimated net worth is 5 million, mostly from book royalties.

Clinton was also fairly middle class until he was a public figure.

Does someone who is middle class most of their life suddenly become 'out of touch' once they achieve fame? Especially if said fame was very recently, contextually? If a poor person wins the lotto, are they suddenly unable to relate with the hardships of fellow poor people?
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Date: 5/6/12 10:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notmrgarrison.livejournal.com
As best I can tell, Romney earned this money, it wasn't all given to him. And he didn't attend Ivy league schools.

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Date: 5/6/12 13:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
While I don't particularly care about the economic status of Presidential hopefuls, Romney was born into privilege. He benefited more from the connections of his father than any direct inheritance, yes, but it is still a leap away from a man who didn't even know his own father and whose mother was not a national figure.

But like I said, I don't care how much money Romney has, but if the Republicans try to frame Obama as a rich elitist then it's simply falsehoods.

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Date: 5/6/12 21:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] houndofloki.livejournal.com
Someone born into privilege the way Romney was benefits immensely from the family's influence and connections, which they do nothing to earn but have an immeasurable impact. Saying someone born to that "earned" their money is kind of like saying the boss's grandson earned his comfy job - the lucky individual may well have virtues and strengths, but the influence of nepotism or privilege is a huge, undeniable leg up that they received. Someone like Romney didn't earn their the money the way someone who had to scratch their way up from nothing did.

That said though, I don't think it necessarily has much bearing on Romney's suitability as a candidate. He was lucky in life, but being lucky's not a crime. And realistically, by the time any candidate (even one who actually did make their own way in the world) reaches the level of being a serious contender for the presidency - they're not thinking about as the same concerns as the "common man" anyway.

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Date: 5/6/12 03:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Condi Rice and the oil tanker named after her, weep for your relative poverty.

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Date: 5/6/12 17:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
would have made more sense if her parents named her after the oil tanker

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Date: 5/6/12 21:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
I went to school with a Valdez.

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Date: 5/6/12 10:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
It takes a good bit of money to run a campaign, and whether that comes from initial wealth, or the immense amount of popularity needed to raise it, I don't think there's any chance of a 'common' person becoming President.

On top of uncommon wealth, you need uncommon character...

I remember a few months back, stories surfaced of high school Romney and friends holding someone down and cutting their hair - and it hit me - this is the craziest story, from the wildest years of his life - and it's still boring as shit. If that's the dirtiest dirt that can be gathered from then, do you a) not vote for him because that makes him seem more out of touch than his wealth, or b) vote for him almost out of pity, for making a great attempt at living a life that lives up to the ridiculous expectations we have for a leader?

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Date: 5/6/12 11:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onefatmusicnerd.livejournal.com
I am certainly voting against Romney, but it has occurred to me that a reasonable Republican may be the kind of person who can actually pass true stimulus spending and appropriate tax increases. Republicans seem to get more lee-way in raising taxes and in cutting the military than Democrats, while being more constrained in their actions to dismantle the safety net.

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Date: 5/6/12 17:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
eh, he still strapped a dog to his car

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Date: 5/6/12 17:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Deer hunters do that all the time -- with dead deer.

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Date: 5/6/12 17:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
the dog wasn't dead though

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Date: 5/6/12 17:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
The thing that appeals to me about Mitt is that he believes that Jesus will come down out of the sky and split the Mount of Olives in two. That kind of thinking will work well on the international stage.

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Date: 6/6/12 01:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Unfortunately Romney is just one of many politicians in the present system reliant on a lot of money and corporate sponsors. The US system has always worked this way, I think the only Presidents we've had who've actually worked their way up through the ranks were Lincoln, Johnson, Grant, and Nixon. Most Presidents are affluent before they start.

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