Death Penalty on Death Row?
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talkpoliticsHow did you like the affirmative action situation the [Poll #1838678]
Of course, you didn't expect that any of these options would be 100% satisfactory for all, did you?
Of course, you didn't expect that any of these options would be 100% satisfactory for all, did you?
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Date: 6/5/12 18:22 (UTC)I did like his line about executing corporations, though.
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Date: 6/5/12 18:26 (UTC)I do agree...can we start with the Lehman Bros?
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Date: 6/5/12 18:55 (UTC)Y'all iz killing me.
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Date: 7/5/12 19:52 (UTC)You say that, while badly stated, her reasons are valid. So, you are saying here that you also think that the practice is inhumane, immoral, tantamount to murder and wrong in itself. This is perfectly fine, you would be in good company.
I, on the other hand, find the death penalty to be neither immoral nor inhumane, at least not when it is done as it is in the USA today. What I object to is that because it is enforced by fallible humans we could, theoretically, execute an innocent person. Discretion argues we should, therefore, forbear, lest we do an injustice that cannot be undone or remedied. For me, the death penalty is impossible to implement, it is wrong because it is impractical.
You then say that you think my reason is the #1 reason not to have a death penalty. Surely, you now see the contradiction? If something is immoral in itself, then no amount of practicality will make it moral. If something is wrong on its face, doing it better, more efficiently and without any errors would not make it right. Imagine if I said, the #1 problem with slavery is that slave owners often mistreat their slaves. That kind of argument would not, I hope, win may admirers.
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Date: 7/5/12 20:12 (UTC)I suppose a better way to state what I think is this:
1. I believe it is wrong to take the life of a human being under any circumstances except in the protection of another life. (self-defense, etc., and obviously not relevant to this conversation.)
2. Even those people who think it is ok to take the life of a guilty person should think twice about wanting to implement the death penalty because innocent people can be and have been convicted and sentenced to death. That adds a whole new layer of wrongness: first, it is wrong to kill; second, it is wrong to administer ANY punishment to an innocent person, and the death penalty is irreversible so it cannot be rectified.
You are right, my position was contradictory. Having thought about it I realized part of the reason I liked you reason (and it's one I've thought about/used in the recent past myself) is that it is a reason more likely to appeal to those who think capital punishment is inherently ok. However, I still think (for the reasons listed above) it has some merit when used together with my other reason. Perhaps I should reevaluate which reason I place the highest importance on. "Convicting an innocent" and "taking a human life" are two wrongs (as I see them) that can overlap but don't always, and both apply to the argument of capital punishment.
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Date: 7/5/12 03:48 (UTC)Love the pics btw lol
Let me know if you need any of these characters illustrated, I'll offer some drawings to it.
It'll probably beat scouring the internet for photographs that closely match the personalities given.
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Date: 7/5/12 18:57 (UTC)But here's my first attempt of the concept.
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Date: 7/5/12 05:03 (UTC)Enjoy your new socialism, you soulless frogs!
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Date: 8/5/12 03:30 (UTC)ok fine, if i had to vote for one tone/person or the other i'd probably go with . . . dang . . . nope . . . none! I think i like the direction #1 is on --> lets put em all to work. but i mean to 'work' like in the fields type work (manual/physical labor).
imagine how many of the men that end up behind bars have never really had a 'man's job' where they know what it is to come home butt-tired at the end of the day? think it would do them any good? i do.