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Candy Crowley: You know, he comes from a privileged background. You did not come from a privileged background. This is a time — an economic time when people are hurting and have been hurting for quite some time. Do you think that someone who is as wealthy as he is, who has had as much privilege as he is, has a hill to climb to overcome that?

John Boehner: No. The American people don’t want to vote for a loser. They don’t want to vote for someone that hasn’t been successful. I think Mitt Romney has an opportunity to show the American people that they, too, can succeed.







See, we non-millionaires need to recognize the fact that we're losers and that wealthy folks like Romney are wiser and more competent and should be running things.

It's an assumption endemic on the libertarian right. Free market conservatives apparently believe that everybody, deep down, wants to be rich -- and if we don't, there's something wrong with us. Therefore, anyone who's not fabulously wealthy has failed (i.e., "lost") Never mind that there are countless people who decide to enter professions they know are unlikely to make them millionaires even if they're very successful in their field, like social work, teaching, most artistic endeavors... In the mind of many conservatives, the very fact that someone made such a choice indicates a problem that renders him or her unfit as a decision maker.

It’s a pretty consistent theme when you listen to the GOP, who seem to be constantly talking over the heads of the 99% to... well, someone else. Mitt Romney, for instance, thinks that instead of getting student loans, or finding jobs in today's high unemployment America, young folks should just borrow the money from their parents to pay their tuition or start their own business.



Romney: This kind of divisiveness, this attack of success, is very different than what we’ve seen in our country’s history. We’ve always encouraged young people: Take a shot, go for it, take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business.




That’s right. All those young people now struggling with debt and unemployment are just too proud and pigheaded to hit up Pater for the scratch. Really, thats soooo silly! Bite the bullet and go to Mom and Dad. The guv'nor will fuss and grumble a bit, but in the end he can sell one of the paintings from his collection or something.

This is what happens when politicians get into the habit of speaking and acting with their biggest donors in mind. They forget that not everyone is an attendee at a $1,000 a head fundraiser, like this one:




Mitt Romney What a home this is! What grounds these are, the pool, the golf course. You know, if a Democrat were here, he'd look around and say 'No one should live like this.' Republicans come here and say, 'Everyone should live like this!' ('Exactly,' someone murmurs off-camera among the laughter and applause)





No doubt many people in that audience actually believe that Democrats are a bunch of wild-eyed radicals who want to take away everyone's pools, golf courses, and private dachas and force them to live in public housing, but I think most of us in the 99% know better. What a Democrat like Barack Obama would likely say is, "Not everyone lives like this." Something apparently lost on Romney and his fans.

The best response to the belief that income=competence and fulfillment can be found in Citizen Kane. It’s a quote from the most humane and canny character in the film, Mr. Bernstein. A reporter points out that someone Mr. Bernstein has dismissed as brainless made an awful lot of money. Bernstein replies:



Well, it’s no trick to make a lot of money – if all you want is to make a lot of money.




Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes

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Date: 30/4/12 19:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Why are there three random paragraphs about Palestinians in the middle?

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Date: 30/4/12 19:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
"The American people do not want to vote for a loser." - John Boehner -

Barack Obama:
- Elected to Illinois State Senate.
- Re-elected to Illinois State Senate.
- Lost primary to U.S. House of Representatives
- Elected to U.S Senate
- Elected to U.S. Presidency

Mitt Romney:
- Lost election to U.S. Senate
- Elected to Massachusetts Governorship
- Lost primary to U.S. Presidency

So, if Obama has a record of 5-1 in elections, and Mitt has a 1-2 record, this is a pretty ringing endorsement of Obama, right?
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Date: 30/4/12 20:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
That's a narrow definition of winner.

Electoral success has nothing to do with success outside of proving you're popular. It's the sq
E system we elect prom king and queen. And we all know how successful those usually turn out.

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Date: 1/5/12 15:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
But Romney has been sooo much more successful at consolidating jobs.

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Date: 30/4/12 19:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayjayuu.livejournal.com
I should know better because I'm going to work and can't comment back, but.

If it's "not about the money," then why are both parties obsessed with it?

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Date: 30/4/12 19:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muscadinegirl.livejournal.com
Some people's definition of "loser" is a moocher who gloms off of Mom and Dad to make it in life.

He has just become "Romney Antoinette" for me--and he didn't even require a Rousseau to make up the dialogue!

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Date: 1/5/12 15:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Personally, I think the definition fits anyone that feels the need to put down people of lesser social standing to make one feel better about themselves.

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Date: 30/4/12 20:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
Obama and W didn't exactly come out of the poorhouse into power, but they can make you forget about that when they are talking. Romney's problem isn't that he is rich and out of touch - hell, that describes just about any politician - his problem is he can't hide it.

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Date: 30/4/12 20:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muscadinegirl.livejournal.com
Roosevelt was very rich, yet he didn't forget that he actually had an obligation to the people of the country. The problem isn't the money; it's the attitude.

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Date: 30/4/12 20:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Why are you talking about Republicans and then claiming it's "endemic on the libertarian right"? Republicans are not libertarian. The GOP is not libertarian. I wish they were, but they aren't. You only make yourself look bad when you lump them all together.

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Date: 30/4/12 20:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
So you don't hold your nose and vote Republican when the time comes?

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Date: 30/4/12 20:54 (UTC)
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What's Ron Paul then, a libertarian leaning Republican; or are you instead going to go with semantic hassling?
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Date: 30/4/12 20:45 (UTC)
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And that's not even touching on your insulting strawmen.

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Date: 30/4/12 21:12 (UTC)
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It's a product of the infantilizing insecurity American culture produces within the working class. Some people adopt into the culture of shame, and willingly and even proudly admit their shame at being not-rich. By doing so, they gain cultural security and regard by the winners. I call it the "Butters Syndrome", after the character Butters on South Park. At the very least if you can't be rich, you can gain the psuedo-respect of the rich and feel like an adult.

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Date: 30/4/12 21:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
Mitt Romney What a home this is! What grounds these are, the pool, the golf course. You know, if a Democrat were here, he'd look around and say 'No one should live like this.' Republicans come here and say, 'Everyone should live like this!' ('Exactly,' someone murmurs off-camera among the laughter and applause)

Interestingly, I think it's the exact opposite.

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Date: 30/4/12 22:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
if a Democrat were here, he'd look around and say 'No one should live like this.'
If that Democrat were Al Gore, he would probably say "no one should live like this, unless, like me, he or she has the cash to buy enough carbon offsets to somehow justify a lifestyle of privilege, luxury and waste".

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Date: 30/4/12 23:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com
Simple fact of the world that Mitt and others like him need to keep in the back of his head:

WE CANNOT ALL LIVE LIKE THAT
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES ON THE PLANET FOR US TO ALL LIVE LIKE THE AVERAGE AMERICAN LET ALONE LIKE THE UPPER-CRUST OF AMERICANS

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Date: 1/5/12 00:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
'WE CANNOT ALL LIVE LIKE THAT'

Of course we can't. We've elected people who've halted progress at every turn. Imagine all the food and energy we'd have if we stopped electing guys like Obama who oppose progress.

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Date: 1/5/12 00:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
If Mitt Romney had a single idea he has held consistently in the last 10 years I'd give a damn what he thinks on anything. But he doesn't, so all the apologia about why we should now favor candidates for something before we were against it gives me no incentive to do anything but vote for the lesser evil.

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Date: 1/5/12 03:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
"but vote for the lesser evil."

Which is why I haven't voted for a democrat since 1976 (ok, a couple over the years for city council, but that's theoretically non partisan, and we had a guy running for mayor once (or three times) who was a republican that I wouldn't have for for anything.....relatively small towns you get to know people ;) )

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Date: 1/5/12 05:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
The out-of-touch millionaire angle had some traction in 2008. I suppose it's useful for this election.

The implications by Boehner are really stupid, but hey, out of touch etc.

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Date: 1/5/12 15:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
What boneheads like Romney always forget to mention is that if everyone owned a golf course, nobody would serve as caddy nor would there be anyone to tend the grounds. The remark from Citizen Kane reminds me of a comeback that I use when a poor chap obsesses over the wealth of Bill Gates: That wealth has not made him a good person.

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Date: 2/5/12 13:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
Wait... Who nominated John Kerry? Who embraced John Corzine? Who celebrate Warren Buffet? Bill Gates? George Soros?

Give me a break. This is some weak tea.

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