Even Worse Than It Looks
30/4/12 11:15Congressional scholars Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein are no strangers to D.C. politics. The two of them have been in Washington for more than 40 years — and they're renowned for their carefully nonpartisan positions.
But now, they say, Congress is more dysfunctional than it has been since the Civil War, and they aren't hesitating to point a finger at who they think is to blame.
"One of the two major parties, the Republican Party, has become an insurgent outlier — ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition," they write in their new book, Even Worse Than It Looks.
Interview at NPR.org
This is something that I've been saying for quite some time, both here and elsewhere. The Democrats are craven, inauthentic, and arrogant -- but the GOP is something else entirely. And not only has the GOP become a party of plugging their ears and yelling "lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala, I can't hear you!" when it comes to things like climate change, immigration and revenue, the media has also broken faith with the electorate by refusing to stand up and say "hey, this isn't right," but instead tries to play "fair and balanced" by suggesting that any point of view, no matter how stupid, no matter how untrue, deserves to be heard.
When the GOP isn't even willing to try to come up with rationales for their positions other than "we want to make Obama look bad", even when that's to the point of refusing to support republican plans that Obama supports because that might make Obama look GOOD, you don't have two parties of government, you have one party and one small child, refusing to do anything, and holding their breath till they turn blue in the face.
How can this be considered responsible governance? Well, it can't, I suppose. When Ronald Reagan is held up as your example of recognizing that, for example, you can't increase spending without increasing revenue, and you can't cut spending on the backs of the poor and the middle class, and yet the GOP even holds up a fictional version of him as their patron saint, where do you go from there? HOW can you go anywhere from there?
Until we have a media that's willing to stand up and say "this is wrong," until we have buy in for actual governance, there's no stopping gridlock. The GOP has to recognize that there's an actual job to be done here, and it can't simply be cut. But that's not on their litmus test, so we just sit and wait for something that may never happen.
But now, they say, Congress is more dysfunctional than it has been since the Civil War, and they aren't hesitating to point a finger at who they think is to blame.
"One of the two major parties, the Republican Party, has become an insurgent outlier — ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition," they write in their new book, Even Worse Than It Looks.
Interview at NPR.org
This is something that I've been saying for quite some time, both here and elsewhere. The Democrats are craven, inauthentic, and arrogant -- but the GOP is something else entirely. And not only has the GOP become a party of plugging their ears and yelling "lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala, I can't hear you!" when it comes to things like climate change, immigration and revenue, the media has also broken faith with the electorate by refusing to stand up and say "hey, this isn't right," but instead tries to play "fair and balanced" by suggesting that any point of view, no matter how stupid, no matter how untrue, deserves to be heard.
When the GOP isn't even willing to try to come up with rationales for their positions other than "we want to make Obama look bad", even when that's to the point of refusing to support republican plans that Obama supports because that might make Obama look GOOD, you don't have two parties of government, you have one party and one small child, refusing to do anything, and holding their breath till they turn blue in the face.
How can this be considered responsible governance? Well, it can't, I suppose. When Ronald Reagan is held up as your example of recognizing that, for example, you can't increase spending without increasing revenue, and you can't cut spending on the backs of the poor and the middle class, and yet the GOP even holds up a fictional version of him as their patron saint, where do you go from there? HOW can you go anywhere from there?
Until we have a media that's willing to stand up and say "this is wrong," until we have buy in for actual governance, there's no stopping gridlock. The GOP has to recognize that there's an actual job to be done here, and it can't simply be cut. But that's not on their litmus test, so we just sit and wait for something that may never happen.
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Date: 30/4/12 16:25 (UTC)That's not good-faith engagement. You could argue they're violating their oaths of office.
Also this:
I know, let's give this governing body tons of power to do with as they please. Preferably with as little obstruction as possible.
How slippery is your slope?
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Date: 30/4/12 16:45 (UTC)The Ryan budget is proactive.
Cut, Cap, and Balance is proactive.
The Republicans are trying to do something. You just don't want to recognize it, lest it implode your argument.
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Date: 30/4/12 17:14 (UTC)Does that include giant corporations? Because it is power itself that corrupts, no? It's not just formal governments, but any entity that exercises power.
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Date: 1/5/12 05:30 (UTC)I fail to see how a) It's inherent and b) Why this is just cause to do away with the system entirely.
Confirmation bias is a beautiful thing
Date: 30/4/12 16:43 (UTC)The reason I find this empty and hollow? Because there isn't any real argument for the GOP being any different than the Democrats in this case. They harp on Allen West's stupid comment about there being 80 Communists in Congress, but saw no need to care about the lack of condemnation from top Democrats about the unpatriotic Republicans, the calls of "fascist" and "racist" and the like. Maybe they highlight them in the book. They certainly didn't care to highlight them here. They call the Republicans "unmoved by...science," but don't care about how piss poor general Democratic belief is (http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2011-09-20/gop-democrats-science-evolution-vaccine/50482856/1) on science issues either. They're blame the Republicans for being dismissive about the "legitimacy of its political opposition" while ignoring 8 years of having to hear about how Bush supposedly stole the election. I recall Evan Bayh's remarks after we elected Scott Brown up here: "Whenever you have just the furthest left elements in the Democratic Party attempting to impose their will on the rest of the country, that’s not going to work too well." That might tell us something about the "value" of bipartisanship and compromise when the proposals are so far off the beaten path that even the Democratic Party is loathe to touch them. Or maybe Geithner's comments on addressing the debt: "You are right to say we’re not coming before you today to say ‘we have a definitive solution to that long term problem.’ What we do know is, we don’t like yours." Very productive. Very bipartisan. I'm sure these points of view have no relationship whatsoever with the continued extinction of moderate Democrats in Congress.
I can go on and on, but it will fall on deaf ears. For those who actually subscribe to this lunacy, your mind has already been made, and now you're happy that a handful of academics is giving this fringe, ridiculous, ideologically-motivated nonsense some credibility. Congrats to you on that. For the rest of us, though, I think we can recognize that the parties have good and bad aspects on both sides, and can condemn that without having to play this sort of game. Meanwhile, liberal Democrats, have fun with the continuing Blue Dog purge.
Re: Confirmation bias is a beautiful thing
Date: 30/4/12 19:09 (UTC)Are you...serious? Your defense is to blame Democrats?
Re: Confirmation bias is a beautiful thing
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Date: 1/5/12 04:08 (UTC)I have bemoaned the fact that both parties have moved to the fringe, leading to the most polarized Congress in over 100 years.
The point of Congress is to govern. Since Republicans signed the Contract with America, they have increasingly refused to move on that point. And yes, Democrats have had their share of stonewalling.
But that doesn't change the fact that it needs to stop. It needed to stop yesterday. If we keep going down this road, China will call in our debt because we can't function. What you or I want for America doesn't matter worth shit. It's what a consensus of Americans want for America. And that means working with people you disagree with, and making decisions that are not your first choice.
Your decision on policy can't be "Everyone else compromise with me".
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Date: 1/5/12 04:14 (UTC)The consequences of such action would destroy this country before we got around to trying your libertarian fantasy.
Congress is supposed to govern. Proposing a bill, and then deciding not to vote for your own bill because the other party would take the credit is not governing.
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Date: 30/4/12 22:32 (UTC)Okay, I like this plan! Screw you, Mississippi! Your state has a terrible academic record! No one cares what you think!
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Date: 1/5/12 05:39 (UTC)I remember once that Republicans tried to pass some ridiculous reform as a political gesture, not really meaning it because actually passing it would be devastating for them politically, just trying to put something forward and go "See! We're trying! It's the Democrats' fault we can't get anything done!" and Democrats trolled them by voting yes or present on it, I can't remember, which caused the Republicans to scramble and start voting no.
edit: I'm not sure this is the one I'm referring to specifically, but here you go: http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/house_gop_almost_votes_for_radical_budget
I would paste the relevant portions but you should really read the whole thing. It's hilarious.
The Ryan Plan reminds me of this tactic.