[identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
One frequently espoused tenant of the free market is that bad actors eventually get found out and punished by the marketplace. Consumers, when faced with unsafe, unethical or low quality product, will migrate to other products that are safer, more ethical and higher quality so long as free market competition gives them those options. There is certainly a lot to be said about this, and the history of consumer economics is full of examples of companies and products that lag behind their competition in innovation and value similarly lagging behind in sales.

From that perspective, there may be many who are hailing last month's decision by Beef Products, Inc. to suspend plant operations that made "pink slime," the highly processed beef product used as filler in many ground beef products. The decision came after an ABC news story highlighted the process by which beef trimmings are cut from the bone, have the fat processed out of them and then are treated with a diluted ammonia solution to kill bacteria...and set off a consumer outcry over the undisclosed presence of a product that many find revolting. In rapid succession, a number of purchasers of huge volumes of ground beef pledged to purge the pink slime from their products while others scrambled to declare they have never used the stuff. While Beef Products, Inc. is considering its options for how to rebrand their product, which they call lean, finely textured beef, for now, the consumer uproar has managed to yank a huge volume of their product from the marketplace.



Probably not. Governors from three states toured a Beef Products, Inc. plant in late March to try to counter the public reaction and touted t-shirts with the slogan "Dude, It's Beef!" (a slogan that I suspect will be as successful as Toyota's attempt to boost Yaris sales with the IT'S A CAR! campaign). While I bet late night got a few good chuckles out of Texas Governor Rick Perry speaking far more eloquently in favor of pink slime than he ever managed of his own Presidential campaign, I think there are important points here being overlooked by both consumers and food activists who have managed to turn the marketplace against the product.

Consumer revulsion is going to increase food prices. The process of making pink slime may turn a few stomachs, but removing it from the food supply system is the equivalent of losing 1.5 million heads of cattle annually. U.S. cattle supply is already tight, so there is no way that loss of this process, which recovers up to 15 pounds of edible meat per animal, for any length of time will NOT drive up prices. And that won't be restricted to just ground beef as more whole cuts will have to be processed placing a pinch on other beef products. Even if you always bought ground beef processed fresh from a butcher counter you know, the presence of pink slime in other mass produced, packaged, ground beef kept your product's price lower.

There's no good evidence that pink slime is dangerous to consume, at least not any more than any other beef product. The ammonium solution used on pink slime is widely used in the food processing industry and in places you would not necessarily suspect. Pink slime is not actually a recent addition to our food supply. It was introduced in the 1970s to help bring down beef costs when consumers reacted negatively to then rising prices. According to the Maureen Ogle piece, it has always been difficult for beef producers to break even on whole cuts, so raising margins on the heavily processed products helped keep down costs across the industry. The sterilization process used by Beef Products was introduced in the 1990s to decrease the risk of e coli contamination and has been, by and large, effective.

As I mentioned above the spoiler cut, market advocates point to how consumers, armed with knowledge and needs, will drive the market to better results. When it comes to our food, however, that knowledge is often difficult to obtain. America produces vast quantities of food, but we do so on an industrial scale where very few of our population have direct knowledge of how that food is made. We are a nation of over 300 million eaters, but very few actual farmers and even in industries like cattle processing, very few of the workers witness the actual killing. Animal carcasses are processed on a vast scale in most cases, and it is unlikely that many people when presented with exacting details of how much of their food is made could stomach actively thinking about it while eating. Producers do not disclose a lot about how they make their food to the general public because making this much food this cheaply is necessarily going to involve processes that, while certified as safe for consumers, are simply unpleasant up close and personal.

Even consumers who think they are avoiding that by gravitating towards labels like "organic" may simply be fooling themselves. An outfit like Horizon Organic milk may feed its cattle an organic diet, but nobody in this country produces milk in volumes like that with all of the cows living the happy life of child story books.

So the pink slime story may be an ironic case of consumers gaining knowledge that causes them to move the market against objective measures of their interests in terms of food safety and cost. I'll be honest: I don't care to eat pink slime although since I was born in 1969, I almost certainly have. The idea of food being treated with even a certified safe ammonia solution is simply unappetizing in the extreme. There is an intuitive level where it is easy to believe that any food product that is processed to that degree must have nutritional deficits, but intuition is often wrong. Finally, look at the stuff:



Looks like something a guinea pig designed by the Hello, Kitty corporation would shit out.

So here I am -- all for consumers demanding more information about the products they buy, and especially about the products they EAT, but I am also wondering how that knowledge should be both presented and used by consumers. Because if we all suddenly demand that our food be locally produced and minimally processed out of a visceral revulsion to mass production of food, I know one thing is certain: many more people won't be able to afford to eat.

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Date: 18/4/12 15:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
That's too bad, I didn't think the stuff was that bad. Its meat just like other meat. I've you're going to eat animals, might as well make sure you get the most out of them so you don't have to kill more of them.

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Date: 18/4/12 16:11 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] weswilson
Yeah, we used to value the use of all parts of an animal as being a responsible use of our livestock. But suddenly, when something is icky, it's a terrible turn of events.

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Date: 18/4/12 16:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
It's funny how we are so concerned with icky and non-icky meat... forgetting the fact that it's all bloody organ tissue. (I assume most would find meat processing "icky" in general..)
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Date: 18/4/12 16:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
even today, many people refuse to disassociate the image of the classic family farm with the food they eat.

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Date: 18/4/12 17:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
As I heard growing up near Smithfield, Virginia: the only part of the pig you can't eat, is the "oink!" ;)

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Date: 18/4/12 15:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
There is already a market for organically raised and minimally processed food. Poor folks simply could not afford to eat well no matter what. I remember seeing some poor folks fishing in a creek with a sign posted nearby warning of the danger of contaminated fish. It did not stop them from putting toxic fish on the dinner plate.

As for food sanitation, how about the use of atomic waste?:

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Date: 18/4/12 15:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
If Andrew Zimmern will eat it, it's OK.

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Date: 18/4/12 16:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Isn't pink slime found in the nuggets?

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Date: 18/4/12 16:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
mixing beef and chicken together?

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Date: 18/4/12 16:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
What if I told you my friend knew that guy lol

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Date: 20/4/12 14:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
And they already combined poultry and beef

Beef Wellington

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Date: 18/4/12 20:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Oh you're thinking of the chicken-taffy stuff that's dipped into ammonia to kill the bacteria, etc. Then it's squeezed into little chicken-thingeys and battered and fried up.

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Date: 20/4/12 14:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Yeah, I think it was shown on Wonder Showzen (which is one of my nominations for greatest TV show ever)

If it isn't "pink slime" it sounds pretty close...

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Date: 20/4/12 14:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
And McDonald's burgers are made out of earthworm.

And if you eat Pop Rocks and drink Coke you die.

Tru Fax

... or not.

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Date: 18/4/12 16:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
I totally think this is thanks to the term "pink slime".

I have to wonder if there would have been the same outcry if it had some fancy French name, like calling it la bave rose makes it sound delicious doesn't it?

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Date: 18/4/12 17:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
And if you think chicken is a better substitute, I give you the comedy genius known as Senor Colbert:

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Date: 18/4/12 19:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terminator44.livejournal.com
I do believe in market mechanisms, but you do have a point. I know that Europe has been hostile to GM crops for some time now for the same reasons. Really, people should just expect to feel at least a little queasy every time they hear about how their favorite foods are made. Until a year ago I didn't even know that gelatin, which goes into two treats I love (Jello and gummy worms) was made from the collagen of animal bones.
Edited Date: 18/4/12 19:11 (UTC)

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Date: 18/4/12 20:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Until a year ago I didn't even know that gelatin, which goes into two treats I love (Jello and gummy worms) was made from the collagen of animal bones.

When I was in high school biology ( I'm fearful to say what decade), our instructor was great and would go on rampages about all the myths, and one she talked about was shampoo and finger nail polish and the only real way to improve them was to eat gelatin because it was from horse hooves and cow bones (usually). It made my stomach turn when I heard that.
Edited Date: 18/4/12 20:33 (UTC)

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Date: 18/4/12 21:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
What's funny is that schools started using the stuff in lunches because of Michelle Obama (albeit indirectly).

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Date: 19/4/12 01:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
One frequently espoused tenant of the free market is that bad actors eventually get found out and punished by the marketplace.

Quite the opposite in imperfect competition.

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Date: 21/4/12 14:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brockulfsen.livejournal.com
Lev, mate, an informed public is only needed for democracy, a compassionate society and capitalism.

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Date: 20/4/12 20:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vehemencet-t.livejournal.com
Yeah when this stuff comes from the animals themselves, there isn't as much of a problem (although when they are given growth hormones, forced to live in their own shit and produce till they are sickly, expect the quality to drop) and it can actually be beneficial to use more of the animal so its not as wasteful. But when this gets bound up in the issue of consumers wanting to know what chemicals are going into their products and where they come from so they can accurately figure the health risks associated with them and corporations or groups throw up this defense, I cry foul.

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