6% of our EVA flights failed, including two space shuttles. I didn't hear North Korea scream FAIL or condemn the potential for garbage to rain down upone the earth when Challenger broke up (about as good as that 'missile' the North Korean's did yesterday, BTW. Only the NK's didn't kill anyone).
The condemnation, vitrol and bully words coming from the 'worlds leaders' is NOT helping stabilize the region. They got a new kid leader. We have a chance to do something to help that situation, if it is even our fucking business to be on that peninsula.
So what's the kid going to do while the West macks on him like a 4chan n00b? What the fuck, UN? Here is a chance, and you force The Kid to do something stupid, like blow off a nuke.
Ridicule is a powerful weapon. Maybe not so much from the outside, but hopefully we may see the North Korean people experience that power in some defining moment. It's happened before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWIbCtz_Xwk
You know, you can make a case that maybe we should never have been there in the first place. You can argue that maybe we should have stopped at the 38th, and that it was our own lack of foresight that started that whole ugly business with the Chinese.
But you can't pretend that the new Kim regime is somehow going to be magically different. It isn't tabula rasa here. The guy's almost 30 years old, and he's the leader of one of the most brutal (de facto) theocracies in the world. Much as we'd like to see new ideas and a change in policy, the beligerance and stubbornness displayed by the Kim dynasty up until this point has been a required feature of their political system, something required for their own survival. I can't see Kim Jong-un changing his foreign policy too much from his dad's, because it would threaten his own hold on power internally.
That's not to say we need to be antagonizing him, but at the same time the war of words between NK and the rest of the world is nothing new. I don't see Kim Jong-un rocked back in shock, hand to forehead, proclaiming: "How DARE they say that!" and pushing the "en-nuke-erate" button. The leadership of NK may not fit the classic definition of a "rational actor", but I think they understand how much they have to lose.
That's why I said "de facto". It is, for want of a better word, a theocracy build around the cult of Kim Il Sung. It's demonstrated in a lot of ways. The thanks (almost prayers) and homage given to the picture of the leader that is mandated to be hung in EVERY home. The way that when foreign doctors came in to do humanitarian free cataract surgeries, the patients, after regaining their sight, didn't thank the doctors, but praised Kim Jong Il for making them see again (as if he'd magically stretched forth his hand and had healed them.) It fits all of the criteria to BE a theocracy, apart from being based on some "established" religion. They just made up their own NEW religion, Kim-ism, or whatever you want to call it.
Slightly tangential point: you should read "Nothing to Envy" by Barbara Demick. It's a book that chronicles the stories of several North Koreans who eventually defected to South Korea, compiled through interviews, etc, and it gives some great insights into how things are seen in that country in the eyes of the people who live there. It's really fascinating.
Yeah but there is a HUGE difference here. When 6% of our rocket launches were failing it was because we were inventing EVERYTHING in the rocket from the ground up.NK has the advantage of more than 60 years watching others launch satellites, decades of experience with intermediate range missiles in their rocket forces, and the ability to leverage technologies that may be outdated by our standards but are still decades more advanced than anything available in the 50's/60's.
I'm not saying that makes building a successful 3 stage rocket easy, but it is a hell of a lot easier for NK today than it was for either the US or Russia in 1960.
I see. Then you agree with Al Qaeda about the ridiculousness known as the war on terror, and feel they were justified by their interpretation of abusing the abusers by causing 9/11.
Since when does ridiculing those who rightfully deserve the ridicule equal an act of murder? Oh, I see... since you're pissed it's easier to take "abusing the abusers" and interpret it as "nuke the commie bastards".
What would you consider sufficient justification for international mockery, and how should the international community respond to this sort of incident?
Even when you do know what you're doing, it's not that easy. http://articles.businessinsider.com/2008-08-03/tech/30052475_1_spacex-merlin-1c-omelek-island
I have to agree with you on this. We like to pretend we have the moral high ground as far as countries go. We should probably act like it. Besides, I'd rather see N. Korea's ambitions go towards things like this than shaking their fist angrily and building new bombs.
"The NATO charter clearly says that any attack on a NATO member shall be treated, by all members, as an attack against all. So that means that, if we attack Greenland, we'll be obligated to go to war against ... ourselves! Gee, that's scary. You really don't want to go to war with the United States. They're insane!"
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Date: 13/4/12 13:24 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 13/4/12 13:29 (UTC)How timely.
Date: 13/4/12 13:42 (UTC)I am kind of pissed at the world's reaction.
6% of our EVA flights failed, including two space shuttles. I didn't hear North Korea scream FAIL or condemn the potential for garbage to rain down upone the earth when Challenger broke up (about as good as that 'missile' the North Korean's did yesterday, BTW. Only the NK's didn't kill anyone).
The condemnation, vitrol and bully words coming from the 'worlds leaders' is NOT helping stabilize the region. They got a new kid leader. We have a chance to do something to help that situation, if it is even our fucking business to be on that peninsula.
So what's the kid going to do while the West macks on him like a 4chan n00b? What the fuck, UN? Here is a chance, and you force The Kid to do something stupid, like blow off a nuke.
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Date: 13/4/12 13:53 (UTC)so I'm not seeing him quite the block of clay, waiting to be molded...
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Date: 13/4/12 14:03 (UTC)I'm not.
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Date: 13/4/12 14:06 (UTC)Your point?
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Date: 13/4/12 14:47 (UTC)But you can't pretend that the new Kim regime is somehow going to be magically different. It isn't tabula rasa here. The guy's almost 30 years old, and he's the leader of one of the most brutal (de facto) theocracies in the world. Much as we'd like to see new ideas and a change in policy, the beligerance and stubbornness displayed by the Kim dynasty up until this point has been a required feature of their political system, something required for their own survival. I can't see Kim Jong-un changing his foreign policy too much from his dad's, because it would threaten his own hold on power internally.
That's not to say we need to be antagonizing him, but at the same time the war of words between NK and the rest of the world is nothing new. I don't see Kim Jong-un rocked back in shock, hand to forehead, proclaiming: "How DARE they say that!" and pushing the "en-nuke-erate" button. The leadership of NK may not fit the classic definition of a "rational actor", but I think they understand how much they have to lose.
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Date: 15/4/12 16:41 (UTC)Slightly tangential point: you should read "Nothing to Envy" by Barbara Demick. It's a book that chronicles the stories of several North Koreans who eventually defected to South Korea, compiled through interviews, etc, and it gives some great insights into how things are seen in that country in the eyes of the people who live there. It's really fascinating.
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Date: 13/4/12 19:00 (UTC)I'm not saying that makes building a successful 3 stage rocket easy, but it is a hell of a lot easier for NK today than it was for either the US or Russia in 1960.
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Date: 13/4/12 19:07 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 14/4/12 00:28 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 14/4/12 03:35 (UTC)Okay...
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Date: 14/4/12 04:21 (UTC)Okay... whatever floats your boat.
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Date: 14/4/12 05:54 (UTC)I would have used the president of Iran and his most legitimate rants against US imperialism, but I can't spell his name LOL
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Date: 14/4/12 14:18 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 14/4/12 15:58 (UTC)But that is just silly ole me :D
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Date: 13/4/12 20:43 (UTC)Well to be accurate, a lot of 'our' rocket engineers were from Germany after WW 2.
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Date: 14/4/12 05:55 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 15/4/12 02:17 (UTC)http://articles.businessinsider.com/2008-08-03/tech/30052475_1_spacex-merlin-1c-omelek-island
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Date: 13/4/12 20:29 (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 13/4/12 14:51 (UTC)All that wasted money could have went to feeding their people.
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Date: 14/4/12 00:43 (UTC):-X
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Date: 14/4/12 17:14 (UTC)Punishing engineers who probably weren't given the right equipment in the first place for causing NK to lose face.
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