OK, what's happening to Arizona?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

The following links are all behind a cut for the link-phobic:



http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/02/25/431947/frank-antenori-saddam-hussein-barack-obama/?mobile=nc

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/03/21/phoenix-police-arrest-6-at-immigration-protest-against-joe-arpaio/

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/03/joe_arpaios_birther_squad_stri.php


And then there's this one:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/abortion-bill-arizona-terri-proud-witness-email_n_1368386.html

So.......can someone explain to me why the Tennessee and Arizona state GOPs seem to have a bigger collection of dumbass trolls than elsewhere? I realize that people might be offended at calling people trolls, but honestly if your idea of "pro-life" is making people witness abortions, my idea of making people carnivores would be to take them to see how those cows get turned into that meat on their plates. that kind of idea is creepy, counterproductive, and frankly seems more the politics of high school than what's theoretically supposed to be something run by people who left high school behind decades ago.

These days if an idea is offensive, reactionary, or frankly put too savage for Genghis Khan to think of it, it comes from these states. Why is that? Did South Carolina spread the whole too small to be a country and too large to be an insane asylum virus elsewhere?

Edit-to be fair, there are actually state GOPs whose leaders have some integrity and courage, and they should be given full credit for it. And from the state that brought us a con man arrested for defrauding the government as a state governor, that says a lot:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trayvon-martin-case-sponsors-florida-stand-ground-law-george-zimmerman-arrested-article-1.1048164?localLinksEnabled=false

Comments

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

I'd venture with a guess that it's got something to do with all that sunshine.

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

I'd advise drinking more water but I think there may be something in the water...

[paedraggaidin.livejournal.com]

Sunlight is evil, this is known. *hiss*

[di-glossia.livejournal.com]

You forgot Virginia. Good Lord. It's like we're trying to upstage each other.

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

The GOP: Loves you... until you're born.

[a-new-machine.livejournal.com]

New Hampshire is considering a bill that would put a doctor in jail for 15 years for refusing to lie to women about the health risks of abortion. Note, that's a little over twice as long as the sentence for felonious sexual assault. Hooray!

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

Women AND doctors?! Who's next, minorities?

[mijan.livejournal.com]

About the one where women should be forced to "witness" an abortion...

Do we make people "witness" other surgical procedures before they get one? Most people can't stomach the sight of blood in ANY regard!

When I was in 10th grade honors biology, our class got to watch a video of a hip replacement surgery. Two of us (myself and one girl) thought it was AWESOME. Especially the part where they drilled into the marrow and it came gushing out like raspberry puree. (I've also been a volunteer EMT - blood and guts don't bother me.) However, most people in the class got squeamish, and two had to run out of the classroom to throw up. Wimps. But the point is that there's a REASON they anesthetize people for some procedures, even a local would be enough. Or, in the very least, they drape cloths so people can't see the actual work. Why? Because most people who aren't medical personnel can't handle looking at stuff like that.

This would be like telling people who eat meat that they should all have to watch a butchering from start to finish before they're allowed to have meat. (Honestly, as a meat-eater myself, I think that's a grand idea.) But we don't make people do that. We don't make people watch surgical procedures in gory detail before getting them done. This... has just taken ridiculous to another level. Not that the ridiculous-level wasn't already sky-high here.

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

"Most people can't stomach the sight of blood in ANY regard!"

This made me think of something, should GOP men witness a menstruation?

[mijan.livejournal.com]

I would laugh my ass off. That would be SO appropriate:

"Dear Men: If you wish to have any say in women's health, you are hereby required to witness all the gritty details before speaking. This includes menstruation, ovarian cysts, endometriosis, fibroids, ectopic pregnancies, miscarriage, expelling afterbirth, vaginal tearing, bleeding that won't stop, and so on."

If that were required, I think every man would become a supporter of the best possible women's health legislation.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Sounds about right.

[sophia-sadek.livejournal.com]

The article on "taking back America" is far more foreboding than the one on having to watch an abortion. It displays the kind of hubris that precipitates violence.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Violence doesn't need hubris, just stupidity.

[policraticus.livejournal.com]

While I think the legislation offered is stupid beyond all measure, at the same time I wonder at your characterization of it as "too savage for Genghis Khan to think of." I don't see what the big deal is. It is just a parasitic growth, right? It has no person hood, agency, feelings or rights. Just a lump of tissue, a mass of cells, a tumor, etc. I have been told, on numerous occasions, that, if pregnant, a person would, "abort!abort!abort!", "kill it with fire!!" "cut it out of me ASAP" and "send it to heaven faster." If that is true, if abortion is the moral and psychological equivalent of having an appendectomy or an unsightly mole removed, why blanch at witnessing one? I wouldn't go out of my way to witness any of it, that medical channel gets very little airtime in my house, but I could easily watch a gallbladder operation not feel outraged or disinclined to have my own gallbladder removed, should the need arise.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Um, I actually wasn't referring to this item or ones here in particular. I was referring to things like the Tennessee GOP's getting away with suspending constitutional rights on religious grounds, where the Mongols believed in religious tolerance. But thanks for leaping into something without bothering to ask.

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

I don't want to *have* to see the gallbladder operation before I have one; where's the therapeutic benefit in that?

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

You know... these bills make the assumption that women don't know what an abortion is.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

I don't think there's an assumption there, I think that's past assumption into "Someone would actually research abortion? SATAN!".

[fizzyland.livejournal.com]

You left out Idaho.

[rimpala.livejournal.com]

Oh gawd, I heard people are trying to start an "Aryan Nation" there or something. Don't they realize what "Iran" comes from? I say they should leave and go bother Ahmadinejad, they deserve each other. :p

[telemann.livejournal.com]

NBC Nightly News had a story about states attempting restricting access to contraceptives and abortions, and ITS A LOT of them. This is why I love maps so much ....gives you a real sense of how widespread this movement is. And friends in Europe ask me, "what's going on in your country?"

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

There'd only been one story IIRC recently about Idaho where Tennessee and Arizona have been bringing the fail on a regular basis, to a degree outpacing the Carolinas. And given that that's the part of the country that gave the USA scumbags like Jesse Helms, that takes some doing.

[thedinglestarry.livejournal.com]

Don't forget Georgia, where a bill being discussed to prohibit abortion after 20 weeks would include women whose foetuses have died. Rep. Terry England expressed his understanding of they pain they would feel at this by mentioning his experience of delivering dead pigs and calves and how heartbreaking that was for him, but that life was full of experiences. I guess he and the supporters of this bill are not aware of the risks to a woman's health, which increase exponentially the longer she carries a dead foetus.

Also Mississippi - fertilised eggs are people! Although at least that amendment was defeated.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Well, true, but neither of those states have brought the fail with anywhere near the consistency at a mind-boggling level that Tennessee and Arizona have. Even Alabama's done relatively little in this regard in the last two years, which is actually impressive (they did the one bill but aside from that nothing in particular out of the norm). Hence why I was asking what got into those two local GOPs, as it's pretty much a guarantee that it enshrines the "GOP doesn't give a flying fuck about women" meme in a way more thorough anything Obama could have ever done.

[zebra24.livejournal.com]

What's wrong with "Obama compared" with invader/occupant?

Left folk took away freedom from this country, it was done slowly, decade by decade, introducing government control and taking freedom out of you.

Russian communists were dumb enough to took all freedom at once, they got civil war and had to slayer many people to do it.
USA lefties much more precise and accurate - they take one freedom from you after another, slowly and steady, step by step.

*I realize that people might be offended at calling people trolls*
What about calling them "dumb ass", that should add to discussion, isn't it??


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Despite I against requirement of witness abortion,
But idea of "pro-life" is to save innocent human life.
Then you should try to talk-in pregnant woman to give a birth and help her to make an informed decision.

Good thing is to challenge people to think about it. Making such a law is wrong.

When you are comparing "abortion" with meat production, you don't want to equalize human life and cattle life.