Talk politics.

So it's a WAR, nobody must forget. You "think different" when at war. It is easy to condemn while sitting on the chair in air-conditioned atmosphere at home sweet home...watching TV

But in any case -if it is a true - it is IMHO a WAR CRIME. They were without guns, the poor victims, weren't they?

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It isn't a war. It's an occupation.

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100%

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You know how hard it is sitting in a compound with fast-food joints and swimming pools and gyms?!

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War is bad thing with or without pools and gyms

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Running around and playing hide-and-go seek with an enemy consisting entirely of small-arms squads (half-assed ones at that) is more like kindergarten war than actual war.

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That's it. But the guns and shots are REAL. There's no difference for people - wich kind of war is it. The bombs are real, the bullets are real.

Of course US soldiers are much more defended. They have tanks, choppers, modern guns. They are professionals. Aphgans are poor fellahs.

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That's not true. I went through it, and it wasn't that big of a deal. There's a huge difference involved between occupying and COIN, and general warfare. The difference comes out in the numbers. A lot less people dead, mostly.

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I understand. The catch is that for those "little numbers" the warfare was damn real.

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Calvinball!

You can't shoot at me!

FORCE FIELD!!

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if it's true?

I'm sorry, are there competing media reports implying that this didn't happen?

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ghostwes.livejournal.com

I have seen a few reports stating that it was not one soldier but several drunk and laughing ones.

Here's one:

http://www.jpost.com/VideoArticles/Video/Article.aspx?id=261380

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well, that would be one way to turn a bad situation worse.

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luvdovz.livejournal.com

Anything goes because it's a war, and as we all know, in a war people think different. We have no right to complain because we're not there.

Right?

Edited Date: 12/3/12 17:59 (UTC)

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It's always funny when people say that, like the other soldiers in the same area aren't pissed off too... like all the other people "who were there man" who condemn it. Man, man you can't judge man, because like, it's real hard sitting on post for 8 hours a shift, for 6 months straight man, Afghanistan is so hard man, you just get so bored, so we can't judge if someone goes out and kills people for fun! Not until you've wasted 12 months of your life schlepping Humvees back and forth across the highlands, and sitting in watch towers and living in trailers... man you can't judge man!

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luvdovz.livejournal.com

Ikr?

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" so we can't judge if someone goes out and kills people for fun! Not until you've wasted 12 months of your life schlepping Humvees back and forth across the highlands, and sitting in watch towers and living in trailers... man you can't judge man!"

So THIS is why they set Deliverance in North Georgia...

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It's a Pity. Sad story. Capitalism and Imperialism Globalization...

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jonathankorman.livejournal.com

You "think different" when at war.

At the risk of sounding like a Dirty F%$#ing Hippie, this is why war is bad and I generally advocate against fighting them.

I don't know if this is true of you,

al_lex_ey, but I have noticed the pattern that folks most hesitant to judge the conduct of wars are also least hesitant about engaging in them.

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I have noticed the pattern that folks most hesitant to judge the conduct of wars are also least hesitant about engaging in them.

now THAT should be daily quoted.

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htpcl.livejournal.com

Absolutely.

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Man, I was a soldier. I was a Soviet soldier. I was sent to Afghanistan but than my detachment was sent to another point of destination. I hate people who like killing for fun... killing unarmed people. IF IT IS TRUE - IT IS A CRIME. The problem is that you never know in Afghanistan who is in front of you - a boy or a rebel. That thing was in Vietnam too.

So? Hippies were wright, man

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Nah, hipsters are the new hippie apparently.

It makes invalidating someone's view point seem fresh despite basically using the same tactics used since the 60's.

It's kind of, you know, ironic.

Edited Date: 12/3/12 19:05 (UTC)

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IMHO judgement rests on the American government that help start continue the war and all the people that were waving sabers around post 911. We were all there when it started, it was only a matter of time before it got this far, and it'll continue to go farther.

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paft.livejournal.com

Yeah, walking into a house and murdering sleeping children is exactly the kind of thing American soldiers did during WWII.

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Frankly this is a situation where US laws often recognize a right of justifiable homicide.

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madnecromancer.livejournal.com

Suppose this type of massacre was being committed by a country aside from the NATO/G8 countries the international community would be screaming for humanitarian intervention and immediate discharges. Wait, but then again, they are just a bunch of Afghans, who cares, right?

Sick world we live in.

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Well, if we factor in that this country has been in a civil war since the Soviet invasion in 1979 and all the USA has done is worsen this civil war without any appreciable, actual contributions for later generations to use to whitewash this........

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madnecromancer.livejournal.com

true...but you'd think seeing all of this go on for years....by 2012 people would have developed consciences.

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In a country that came to exist from a genocide?

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It's disgusting but I find that nothing is indefensible anymore.

In fact I wonder how certain news groups out there are spinning this?

Edited Date: 12/3/12 19:00 (UTC)

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I've already seen news stories about how this guy had a brain injury and marital problems.

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Why was he in service with a brain injury?

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yes-justice.livejournal.com

Oh, that's operational theater experience.

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mikeyxw.livejournal.com

Wow, so this fellow wasn't in tip-top mental condition when he committed this act? That certainly separates him from other mass murders.

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"Afghans are evil monsters, so repaying evil unto evil is good." That would be my guess as people really focus on the manifestations of 30 years of civil war as somehow being the norm. And that somehow being as barbaric as barbarians makes barbarism better or something through convoluted permutation of logic that doesn't make any sense in the first place.

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Yeah, I can already hear them foaming at the mouth. I mean the people who even before any fighting started wanted to turn half of the Asian continent into a giant ash tray.

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Which the USA would never be able to do in practice. If we stop and think about it, even the bungling idiots in Iraq could surprise the US Army in 2003 with an unbridgeable gulf between the two. In a serious war against a conventional enemy, the USA will sooner or later have to use nuclear weapons to end it as it lacks the capability to sustain a major war against a competent conventional enemy. It can't afford it, and all that expensive precision weaponry doesn't work as well on a large scale in an improvised situation as it does on a small one after a decade of preparation for a war.

Where's your icon from, incidentally? Just curious.

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That's all fine and good, but in my experience, people that call for the deployment of nuclear weapons don't entirely realize the implications and consequences of doing so, let alone anything you just said.

My icon was something I put together in Illustrator, it started as an illustration for a mock 40's/50's newspaper advertisement and later became a sort of logo for various stuff I put together on Second Life, as "Rimpala Industries." I kind of have an affinity for retro-themed graphic arts and design. For example I have a very small collection of old Time magazines that were published during WW2.

I made it my userpic because I find it amusing. It both embodies a "Rat Pack" persona the character has taken on and at the same time it has a sort of sleazy used car dealer look to it. I'm sure plenty of people mistake me for a Republican too lol.

Edited Date: 12/3/12 21:19 (UTC)

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Well, sure. Nobody alive has seen a nuclear explosion in a *test* (with the possible exception of the North Korean high command) in the last 30 years so people *don't* realize how evil and nasty those things are. And you're right, the people that call for this 1) would never actually be the ones actually required to do that fighting, and 2) are generally stupid on everything in general, not just this specific thing in particular.

It's a very neat icon. Thanks.

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