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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/palin-the-first-black-president-wants-to-revert-to-pre-civil-war-society/254267/

Now, let's all stop and think about this for five minutes, eh? She's saying the first BLACK PRESIDENT wants to return to the ANTEBELLUM ERA when BLACK EQUALLED SLAVE. This is not to say that all blacks were slaves then, but for most white Americans it was an automatic assumption with all manner of horrors that came of it. However, I repeat: the idea that a black President wants to revert to the bad old days of Bleeding Kansas, of the Nat Turner Rebellion and its producing a South evolving to complete totalitarianism, and the days when people sincerely said that slavery was a civilizing influence and a school for blacks is an obscene statement that contradicts itself at the very heart of it.

Is there anyone, ANYONE, that will sincerely claim that Obama wants to return the country to the days of when the USA was half-slave and half-free?

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Date: 10/3/12 16:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
Obviously there is some-ONE, although I doubt she's being sincere. But that has never mattered too much with this one.

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Date: 11/3/12 13:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dukexmachismo.livejournal.com
Palin has the talent of a truly great troll: you can never be sure if she's putting you on or if she's honestly that stupid.

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Date: 10/3/12 16:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chessdev.livejournal.com
She is the living embodiment of white ignorance and paranoia.

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Date: 10/3/12 16:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
Oh, pumped up super-duper-hyperbolic rhetoric is nothing new. We could include the overblown use of the term 'socialism' (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-8-2012/the-socialist-network) as well.

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Date: 10/3/12 16:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
That reminds me, HBO's Game Change will be on tonight. Julieanne Moore's performance is getting rave reviews (hell even the NY Post said so).

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Date: 10/3/12 17:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Yeah man, Obama wants to create classes in our currently class-less society! Oh and can anyone give me a loan to pay off the million+ dollar debt my tiny town racked up when I was mayor? Now I truly understand the poors' plight.

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Date: 10/3/12 17:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paedraggaidin.livejournal.com
Obama = Master of the Plantation / King George III!
Democrats in Congress = Slave-owners!
Obamacare = Stamp Act!
Mandated insurance coverage = Indentured servitude!
HHS contraceptive mandate = Boston massacre!
Taxes = Slavery!
Taxpayers = Slaves!

Just like this one guy said! (http://houstontps.org/audio/4995.jpg)

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Date: 10/3/12 17:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] its-anya.livejournal.com
I don't think there's a whole lot of point expecting Sarah Palin to say reasonable things.

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Date: 11/3/12 02:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surferelf.livejournal.com
She came up with the whole "death panel" thing. That's the most sensible idea I've heard in a long time!

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Date: 10/3/12 17:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
It continually amuses me the whackos that don the 'conservative' label. Makes everyone who identifies with the actual beliefs of conservatism facepalm.

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Date: 10/3/12 18:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muscadinegirl.livejournal.com
*facepalm*

Of course, what she does endorse is Rule by Idiots.

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Date: 10/3/12 18:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
So it's 'Enslave the Whities' week? Again why is anyone listening to a loser who quit her elected job?

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Date: 10/3/12 18:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
We were warned!
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Date: 11/3/12 15:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Hah!

That's some crazy good rotoscopting too

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Date: 10/3/12 18:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
'What Palin is expounding is a belief that has become common among conservatives...'

What the author here is espousing i a belief common among the Left. That argument conservative give can't be taken on the actual merit of what they said but instead a deeper meaning and true argument must be devised based upon what the Left "knows" of conservatives. For instance, when they say that we need to end racism and not allow it to be a factor in our decision making, what they actually mean is they hate all minorities and want to see them enslaved or killed outright.

Also that argument they never made should be made in their stead in order to make the assertions hold. For instance, conservatives never said talking about race was racism. That's a whole invention of imaginative minds.

Why is it when Derrick Bell posits an argument about how all whites are racists, it's taken as an intellectual argument and not a slur. But when Palin posits that Obama has a pre-Civil War mentality it's taken as so much more?

There's a solid asymmetrical intellectualism I've found on the left. Arguments they present, they'd never allow the right-wing to make. Things they criticize the right-wing they never criticize the left-wing.

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Date: 10/3/12 20:35 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] allisnow.livejournal.com
Maybe his white half wants to enslave his black half 0_o

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Date: 10/3/12 21:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thies.livejournal.com
you are now aware that social entitlements primarily directed at african americans put them into subservient position to hard working tax paying white folk who pay for those programs

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Date: 10/3/12 21:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Oh Good grief. Anyone who believes the Obama administration has been influenced by radical black nationalism cannot be taken seriously.

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Date: 11/3/12 00:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dv8nation.livejournal.com
And yet...

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Date: 11/3/12 01:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com
Palin definitely isn't the brightest bulb.

I don't see the big deal with the Derrick Bell video (yet). If going after Jeremiah Wright and his "God damn America" rhetoric didn't help the GOP in 2008, going after Bell in 2012 isn't going to make a dent.

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Date: 11/3/12 03:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kardashev.livejournal.com
It's Sarah Palin. Seriously dude, did you expect her to make sense?

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Date: 11/3/12 08:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
I hear she doesn't yet rule out running for prez, if the GOP holds an open convention in Tampa.

Suddenly our chancez for LULZ increase again!

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Date: 11/3/12 03:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
Is there anyone, ANYONE, that will sincerely claim that Obama wants to return the country to the days of when the USA was half-slave and half-free?

I'm not going to make that argument but it seems to me that proponents of Critical Race Theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory) would be pleased with such an outcome.

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Date: 11/3/12 04:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
Now, what possible basis can you have for saying such a thing?

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Date: 11/3/12 04:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
I don't know about this "Derrick Bell flap", but Palin's quote in the article is simply saying that she thinks Obama is taking the country to a place where people are not treated equally, for whatever reason (income and skin color being the two given examples), and that the country before the Civil War was also in this place. I find it hilarious that you and the article somehow translate that into thinking that she said that Obama wants to take us back to exactly how it was before the Civil War. I'm not surprised that you mistranslated it like this, as you do it all the time, but it's scary when journalists do it (although again, not terribly surprising).

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Date: 11/3/12 14:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eracerhead.livejournal.com
Your point that Obama knows what it is like to be on the receiving end of racism is true, but kind of missed the point about what she was actually saying. It's equally wrong, but it is covered quite well in the last three paragraphs of the article.

But many on the right have adopted the view that the only way to address racism is to pretend it does not exist. Thus, anyone who talks about race or acknowledges race or makes mention of the fraught American relationship with racism must by definition be a racist. ...
Of course, if not talking about race were the solution, Harvard might have had a racially diverse faculty by 1991, rather than lacking a single tenured female professor of color.


What she is saying is, "We have more racial equality now, and Obama will bring us back to the days when we had less." Granted, a completely ignorant statement. This touches on white fear; the fear that in the future whites will end up being a minority and hence end up being treated the way minorities have historically been treated.

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