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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/02/02/obama_announces_2012_launch_of_african-americans_for_obama.html


I got an email this afternoon telling me about this new Obama campaign tactic.
How is this ok in America today?
How is this not racist? What do you supposed would happen if Romney announced a “White Americans for Romney”?
He’d be crucified yet it’s perfectly acceptable for Obama?
Please explain to me why this is ok for a black president but no white in this country could ever do this?
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Date: 22/2/12 02:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-mangos.livejournal.com
It never mentioned the US at all

errr...

How is this ok in America today?

White Americans for Romney

but no white in this country could ever do this

Your entire OP was about the US.



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Date: 22/2/12 02:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
Image (http://s744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/drewishdrewid/Macros/?action=view&current=nphthumbsup.gif)

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Date: 22/2/12 02:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skull-bearer.livejournal.com
Appealing to minority bases is part of politics. Minorities face problems and issues that are not necessarily shared by the rest of society, so if you can appeal to those issues, you are more likely to curry favour with a significant part of the minority group. This comes in doubly important in an election year. For example, using this case, it's a fairly well established fact that black communities are disproportionally targeted for crimes. Thus, an appeal to the black community for fairer police sentencing and more equal policing of districts would carry more favour than to a more predominantly white audience.

The reason there is no 'white americans for 'x' is primarily because its pointless. White, in the USA, is baseline. The target of most campaigns are white americans, meaning it does not focus on the problems of minority groups; ergo, white.

The second reason is one of precedent. The white power flag has been torn down, besmirched, spat on and befouled so thoroughly by everyone from the KKK to Hitler and internet trolls that the words 'white power' and 'racist' and permenantly linked. It's the same reason people don't use the word 'negro'. there's nothing innately bad about the word, it just means 'black' in spanish, but it's connotations with slavery are so pervasive that it's fallen out of use.

I don't think the fact that Obama's black has anything to do with this. I'm fairly sure I saw some 'African Americans for John Kerry' sites back in the day. It's more of a party thing,. Minority groups just are more likely to vote Democrat, so the Democrats appeal to them, so the minorities groups vote Democrat. It's a cycle.

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Date: 22/2/12 02:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awdrey-gore.livejournal.com
I'm old and these here Interwebz memes confuse me. ;)

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Date: 22/2/12 02:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Damn, and I just lost The World's Smallest Violin the other day too.

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Date: 22/2/12 02:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-mangos.livejournal.com
Which OP are you referring to then? Did you mean your reply was not? (psst - a reply is not an OP) And even if so, you can't put up a post solely about racism in America and then turn around and throw other countries into the mix when people make valid points against you or others on the topic of the OP.

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Date: 22/2/12 02:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-mangos.livejournal.com
I bet he's going to vote for Obama.

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Date: 22/2/12 02:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-mangos.livejournal.com
perfect icon.

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Date: 22/2/12 02:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Just stop already.

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Date: 22/2/12 02:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Now you can explain how Obama is being racist. Make sure to use terms you understand.

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Date: 22/2/12 03:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
It's not "building the base" it's "getting the base fired up". It's the first step in the Democratic 2012 GOTV efforts.

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Date: 22/2/12 03:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
did you look under the World's Smallest Couch?

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Date: 22/2/12 03:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Equivalence or not (I personally go with... not) I think that African-Americans really have a cause to support Obama when the GOP has repeatedly race-bated it's way through it's campaigns. I could write a novel about what I'm talking about too, there is everything from racial fringe in it's rallies to their ranches being called "N***rhead* to the claims that Obama's a Muslim and must be from Africa etc. etc. No matter what one may think of this, the African American sees it, and they are not pleased. If the other party wants to attract the African-American vote, then they need to figure out how to do that. That's not Obama's problem. That's not the voter's problem. That is the GOP's problem.

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Date: 22/2/12 03:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chron-job.livejournal.com
Point = the Race relationship in America is inherently asymmetrical. Arguments of the form "Blacks did X, What if whites did X? That would be RACIST" stand on a presumed symmetry. None such exists, so arguments of that form fail, unless they contain some other vector besides insisting on symmetry.
Edited Date: 22/2/12 03:40 (UTC)

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Date: 22/2/12 03:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
I don't have much else to add, since others have already pointed out repeatedly that Democrats have been actively courting minority voters — African-Americans included — for decades. That the current President is black doesn't make this some sinister plot for a racial minority to go all chestburster on the nation.

Whites in the US aren't struggling with racial discrimination nor do we have special issues that effect us relative to the average American (since, as far as race goes, we are the average), so a "European-Americans for ____" group would be impossible and pointless. Romney would be crucified because the only people a "White Americans for Romney" or a "European-Americans for Romney" group would appeal to are the white supremacists, as the rest of us would scratch our heads and said "Why do I need a racial advocacy group? The Man isn't keeping me down for being white."

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Date: 22/2/12 03:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Gosh I do hope it's not a Strad!!!!!!

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Date: 22/2/12 03:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
Hmm, we might have a troll but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Don't let anyone fault you for your tone though.

Keep mean and carry on.

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Date: 22/2/12 03:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Ok that was kind of funny.

But you're still a very bad person.

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Date: 22/2/12 03:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dv8nation.livejournal.com
The stars must be in an odd alignment. Which means...

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

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Date: 22/2/12 03:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
Oh, I don't know. There were apparently a few racists for Obama (http://www.salon.com/2008/11/03/racists_for_obama/).

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Date: 22/2/12 03:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com
If we are going to discus dictionary definitions, we are going to need to discus the possibility of synonyms. Racism is a complex subject that would certainly have them. Hatred is one facet of racism, the other is through ignorance treating someone different based on the color of their skin.

Obama isn't excluding white voters, it would be pretty counterproductive of him to do that since he already has white supporters and a vote is still a vote.

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Date: 22/2/12 04:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
WHY CANT I SAY NIGGER?

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Date: 22/2/12 04:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com
Kenyans for Obama sure would bring a few good chuckles* out of the crowd.

*=head explosions
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