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talkpoliticsI don't like anyone running for the Republicans. However I was impressed with Ron Paul refusing to engage in hawkish talk about Iran (he was the only one who didn't sink to engaging in bullshit)and on tough talk about Cuba again he stood alone.
What's with America's stand on Cuba? Even the CIA doesn't claim that Cuba is a sponsor or terrorism! (The CIA's main issue seems to be illegals entering USA, at least according to the World Factbook.) So why do the candidates pull this out of their ass year after year?
Quote; The history of Cuba as a State Sponsor of terrorism didn't begin until 1982, though, when the State department placed the Caribbean island country on its list of those believed to be providing critical support to non-state terrorist groups.
Experts in the intelligence community generally don't think Cuba actively supports terrorist activity or that it poses any threat to national security. Most of the charges leveled against Cuba indicate that the US doesn't like Cuba's bad attitude toward US policy, but even the State Department can't provide convincing evident that Cuba actually acts to undermine US policy by supporting terrorism.
Everyone needs a marketing strategy. Where Germany understood they couldn't compete globally on price, or quantity, the Germans pushed their products on quality. Germany has done quite well. Cuba's niche export has been on the medical front, training more doctors then they need and therefore are able to trade medical expertise globally for many of the imports they require. This is obviously not a strategy for terrorism.
The idea that Cuba is a sponsor of terrorism is ridiculous on the surface and if you bother to dig into the facts.
What's with America's stand on Cuba? Even the CIA doesn't claim that Cuba is a sponsor or terrorism! (The CIA's main issue seems to be illegals entering USA, at least according to the World Factbook.) So why do the candidates pull this out of their ass year after year?
Quote; The history of Cuba as a State Sponsor of terrorism didn't begin until 1982, though, when the State department placed the Caribbean island country on its list of those believed to be providing critical support to non-state terrorist groups.
Experts in the intelligence community generally don't think Cuba actively supports terrorist activity or that it poses any threat to national security. Most of the charges leveled against Cuba indicate that the US doesn't like Cuba's bad attitude toward US policy, but even the State Department can't provide convincing evident that Cuba actually acts to undermine US policy by supporting terrorism.
Everyone needs a marketing strategy. Where Germany understood they couldn't compete globally on price, or quantity, the Germans pushed their products on quality. Germany has done quite well. Cuba's niche export has been on the medical front, training more doctors then they need and therefore are able to trade medical expertise globally for many of the imports they require. This is obviously not a strategy for terrorism.
The idea that Cuba is a sponsor of terrorism is ridiculous on the surface and if you bother to dig into the facts.
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Date: 24/1/12 07:13 (UTC)terrorism.about.com/od/cuba/a/Cuba.htm
It isn't so much that cuba *supports* terrorism, but that it supports *supporters* of terrorism. Which is true.
That said, more to the point regarding why we're on cool terms with Cuba has to do with reparations from the revolution. There were a lot of US landowners that lost a lot of money on the cuban revolution, and normalization of relations is legally held up in abeyance of a resolution of those claims. Which are not forthcoming. Normalizing relations without such resolution is tantamount to undermining the claims of the aggrieved parties.
Whether or not all that is sufficient reason is open to debate, but the reasons are *not* "for teh evilz".
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Date: 24/1/12 07:37 (UTC)Yes, people lost money during the revolution. Not just people but influencial American people, and these people are still pissed off all these years later, never to forget a grudge, or forgive, real Christian-like people.
Sounds evil to me.
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Date: 24/1/12 13:32 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 24/1/12 13:36 (UTC)http://allafrica.com/stories/printable/201001210949.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB67
http://www.rhodesia.nl/cuito.htm
It doesn't do any of this *now* but it *was* doing this when it was put on the sponsors of terrorism list (during the same decade Ronnie Ray Gun took Iraq off of it).
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Date: 24/1/12 14:42 (UTC)Perhaps the connection is tenuous, but it isn't nonexistant.
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Date: 24/1/12 15:38 (UTC)By tenuous, how do you mean close? Or do you mean close the way Reagan and Gorbachev used to phone each other late at night?
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Date: 24/1/12 15:49 (UTC)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba%E2%80%93Iran_relations
www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/ahmadinejad-ties-between-cuba-iran-unbreakable-1.406981
Syria
english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90852/7044972.html
both
ctp.iccas.miami.edu/FOCUS_Web/Issue127.htm
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Date: 25/1/12 00:24 (UTC)Having diplomatic, economic or otherwise co-operative relations internationally doesn't make one a sponsor of terror, even if you don't like who they are "friendly" with.
Sponsoring terror implies something rather specific. Like funding, supplying or training militias who are actively engaging in terrorism.
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Date: 25/1/12 01:15 (UTC)http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1321981.html?thread=105302013#t105302013
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Date: 24/1/12 22:29 (UTC)Also, the President of Iran does not sponsor Hezbollah, Ayatollah Khameini, the real ruler of Iran, sponsors Hezbollah.
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Date: 24/1/12 23:23 (UTC)As for "nobody in that region", hamas enjoys a 59% favorable rating in jordan, and 49% in egypt, nigeria, and lebanon. Few presidents enjoy numbers that high in good times.
www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/
Did you miss the part where hizbolah set up a permanent camp in cuba?
But I guess that doesn't matter since you have this really cool nuanced, entirely un-rambo-like view of geo-politics.
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Date: 25/1/12 02:49 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 24/1/12 15:34 (UTC)Or maybe it was Cuba's aid to Ethiopia, swayed away from Somalia, providing victory in that Ogaden war. (http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-4538.html)
But perhaps because of Cuba's relations in Africa that got them on the USA State Dept list in 1982.
Or maybe it's more appropriate that Cuba gave assistance to the Sandinistas freedom in 1979 while USA was clearly on side with Somoza, and later supported the Contras. Again Cuba wasn't supporting terrorism, but freedom.
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Date: 24/1/12 16:56 (UTC)http://www.amazon.com/Cuba-African-Odyssey/dp/B0013B34XU
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Date: 24/1/12 15:49 (UTC)http://news.investors.com/Article/583625/201109011858/Cubas-Terror-Smoking-Gun.htm
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Date: 24/1/12 18:03 (UTC)This is fucking insanity...
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