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For almost a week Romania is again looking like the Romania of the early 90s: barricades, street clashes, tear gas, injured people. The protests are against the austerity policies of the government and most of all, against the health-care "reform".

Demonstrators threw stones and Molotov cocktails at the police, the police responded with tear gas. In Bucharest and some other towns like Timisoara the protesters expressed their indignation from the slashing of salaries and social benefits, the tax hike and the omnipresent corruption and nepotism in the system.

Meanwhile the protests in Bucharest reached their culmination during the weekend. The police arrested dozens of protesters. There were injured on both sides. The prime-minister Emil Boc said "Throwing stones is no solution to the problems. What we need is a dialogue".

So far the biggest protests have taken place in Bucharest, Timisoara, Craiova, Cluj and Iasi. The angry wave started last Thursday, initially in solidarity with the health-care workers. In an agreement with the IMF that was meant to prevent Romania from going bankrupt like Greece, the government took the obligation to steer the ship into an even tougher course of cutbacks in almost all sectors, including (and most extreme) in health-care. So far the president Basescu has strictly advocated for keeping this course and has earned much criticism from various circles, including within the ruling coalition.

It's true that the Romanian health-care needs urgent overhaul. The reform has been the central element in the protests. And now Basescu looks likely to make a step back in the face of this mounting pressure from all sides. He hinted that he'd respect the opinion of the majority of his people in regards to the health-care reform, and he eventually backpedalled and asked the prime-minister to withdraw the draft legislation - which he eventually did.

Until now Basescu kept demonstrating that he'd stay firm despite the protests. But the ambiguous signals from the ruling parties and their apparent reluctance to follow suit and be as firm about the health-care reform, was obviously the thing that finally forced him to make concessions. Of course there's no doubt that the Romanian health-care system is in a desperate need of drastic reforms, but the "cut'n'run" or "sell everything" tactic is meeting a staunch resistance from almost all segments of society.

The state-run health-care in Romania is one of the most corrupt in Europe, and on top of that, it's ridiculously expensive. Nearly 90% of the Romanians are extremely unhappy with the existing health-care system. Meanwhile, many of them are fearing that if the system is liberalized and is put on a free-market principle, it would become even more inaccessible for a vast chunk of them. Right now you practically can't get a proper medical treatment if you don't cough up some bribe (there are even unofficial "price lists" for the various services). With the new plan, even that wouldn't make those services accessible to enormous chunks of the Romanian people.

In these strained circumstances, it's no surprise that a significant portion of the Romanians are openly expressing a nostalgia for the Ceausescu era, as if they've forgotten what it was like under his rule. Their point is that they at least had some security and a social "existence-minimum", albeit with zero political freedoms.

The painful transition to a market economy, marred with lots of underwater stones, vicious circles and dead ends, has aggravated many Romanians and brought a sense of desperation. A period of two decades filled with strife, unemployment and uncertainty, which nurtured the sentiment that they had actually lived in better times under communism, while forgetting the misery, terror and all sorts of human rights violations they had been subjected to for the previous half a century. Unfortunately, change doesn't happen overnight, by giving the bad dictator to the shooting squad and burying his body. Many problems have remained there ever since.

Of course, Romania is far from being a failed state, no way. With its NATO and EU entry it has made some huge leaps forward, both economically and in terms of geopolitical stature. The young generation in particular were mostly spared the economic privation, and have picked the fruits of democracy - such as freedom of speech and the freedom of movement, access to education abroad, etc. They are hardly impressed by the nostalgic talk about Ceausescu. That topic is now irrelevant to them. It's mostly a topic being fanned by the media and some of the older talking heads. But all this doesn't mean that the problems are still not there, and it is in such times of extreme economic hardships that the Romanians are most prone to taking to the streets and making their voices heard. And the rulers better listen to them this time, or things would only get worse for them.

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Date: 23/1/12 14:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
Despite everything, I still doubt the Arab scenario will happen in Romania. It seems in a much better position to deal with these problems than, say, Tunisia.

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Date: 23/1/12 16:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
So this is what the EU's willing to admit into it, eh? I suppose it's not fair to single out Romania given it admitted a former military dictatorship and impending economic disaster zone and a former fascist dictatorship currently in the midst of a giant-ass religious scandal.

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Date: 23/1/12 17:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
I think what people are afraid of, with the health care system, is simply that the corruption will completely transfer into a entrepreneur system, where there is even less oversight, and they are right, it would.
It's hard to explain the Romanian "system" (and I think this post is a great attempt, good post!), a friend of mine with family in Romania told me once that you really can't even call it
"state health care", nor can you call it anything else existing, just as you can't really call the parliament systems in the middle east democracies, in spite of them looking like it to some
extent.

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Date: 23/1/12 17:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Sadly, this "system" is not confined to Romania only, as far as the new EU members are concerned. I find lots of similarities between the health-care system of our northern neighbors and ours.

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Date: 23/1/12 19:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
Do you have any thoughts as to what can be done? Most ppl I've talked to dream of harsh anti-corruption laws and/or nuking the site (system) from orbit, but they don't really seem to believe in real change, even through those means.

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Date: 23/1/12 19:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
I wish I had a solution to this, but unfortunately I think the problem is much more complex than just amending a system. It's the entire society that needs to undergo some processes, some changes in mentality that would ultimately result in most of these systems taking a more positive course. Otherwise we'd just devise various legislation and keep disregarding it.

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Date: 23/1/12 22:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peamasii.livejournal.com
It is state health-care but there is also a lot of bribing necessary to get expensive procedures done. OTOH it is a lot cheaper in Romania to get excellent private services or treatment than say in Germany. For example you can get comprehensive lab tests done for a fraction of the price in Western countries, on modern equipment and by expert doctors. But still that's too expensive for most people who expect the free state healthcare system to provide similar quality and range of services.

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Date: 23/1/12 23:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
It's state health care just like middle eastern parliamentarims is parliamentarism, is what I meant. On the surface it is, but it's not a "system" according to even their own rules.

I've heard that too, about Romania, and I had a friend who went and did his eye operation in Thailand. It can be great, but if something goes wrong, it can be pretty devastating.

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Date: 23/1/12 18:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ford-prefect42.livejournal.com
It's pretty common for people in failed socialistic states to get aggravated when they discover that they can no longer "pretend to work" and get "pretend paid", they now have to *actually* work. Frequently, they don't know how.

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Date: 23/1/12 18:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ford-prefect42.livejournal.com
From the OP.

"The painful transition to a market economy, marred with lots of underwater stones, vicious circles and dead ends, has aggravated many Romanians and brought a sense of desperation. A period of two decades filled with strife, unemployment and uncertainty, which nurtured the sentiment that they had actually lived in better times under communism, while forgetting the misery, terror and all sorts of human rights violations they had been subjected to for the previous half a century. Unfortunately, change doesn't happen overnight, by giving the bad dictator to the shooting squad and burying his body. Many problems have remained there ever since."

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Date: 23/1/12 19:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
I too am curious as to why you think the Romanian people pretended to work and produce and still do.

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Date: 24/1/12 15:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ford-prefect42.livejournal.com
Their trade balance.

www.tradingeconomics.com/romania/balance-of-trade

They've improved dramatically since '09, so there's hope, but the process is never fun.

I am *not* claiming that the US has any room to criticise here. Just to have it said.

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Date: 24/1/12 16:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
So? They're recovering from the market crisis, just like most other countries. Previous to the US crash, Romania did extremely well in the late 90's and the 2000's. Big growth, production and trade, they even managed to impress the EU, to the point of what happened in 2007.
Hence your analysis of "pretend work" and "pretend pay" is faulty.

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Date: 23/1/12 19:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
Are you sure you know exactly what you're talking about?

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Date: 24/1/12 07:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
Oh noes, you're Montecristo's twin bro?

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Date: 23/1/12 18:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
There was freedom of movement in the US before airport security scared people away.

BTW, Robert Kaplan wrote some interesting personal observations on that part of the world right after the fall of Ceausescu (Balkan Ghosts).

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