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talkpoliticsCourt OKs Barring High IQs for Cops
A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.
This kind of puts an official face on discrimination in America against people of a certain class,” Jordan said today
from his Waterford home. “I maintain you have no more control over your basic intelligence than your eye color or your gender or anything else.
He said he does not plan to take any further legal action.
Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.
Jordan alleged his rejection from the police force was discrimination. He sued the city, saying his civil rights were violated because he was denied equal protection under the law.
But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover.
Jordan has worked as a prison guard since he took the test.
To me, this is an example of "bottom line" thinking. Someone deemed it is more important to reduce training costs than it is to have a person above average as a police officer. I can see where a detective with a high IQ would thrive. I would argue that people of higher intelligence are a minority. Whether they are a 'protected class' is for the court to decide.
Is this an effort (to cut potential projected maybe it will happen costs), that has gone a bit *too far* in silliness?
Regardless of your conservative position; liberal, or Indie-NOTAs, Do you agree with the ruling and why or why not?
Which is better for society, average cops or above average cops, when it comes to protecting society in a cost effective manner?
A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.
This kind of puts an official face on discrimination in America against people of a certain class,” Jordan said today
from his Waterford home. “I maintain you have no more control over your basic intelligence than your eye color or your gender or anything else.
He said he does not plan to take any further legal action.
Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.
Jordan alleged his rejection from the police force was discrimination. He sued the city, saying his civil rights were violated because he was denied equal protection under the law.
But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover.
Jordan has worked as a prison guard since he took the test.
To me, this is an example of "bottom line" thinking. Someone deemed it is more important to reduce training costs than it is to have a person above average as a police officer. I can see where a detective with a high IQ would thrive. I would argue that people of higher intelligence are a minority. Whether they are a 'protected class' is for the court to decide.
Is this an effort (to cut potential projected maybe it will happen costs), that has gone a bit *too far* in silliness?
Regardless of your conservative position; liberal, or Indie-NOTAs, Do you agree with the ruling and why or why not?
Which is better for society, average cops or above average cops, when it comes to protecting society in a cost effective manner?
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Date: 3/1/12 16:19 (UTC)Yeah has an -h at the end and genius-level usually has a hyphen. Just as an FYI.
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Date: 3/1/12 04:18 (UTC)"No, we don't want any smart people on our staff." What sort of HR manager do they have there?
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Date: 3/1/12 08:39 (UTC)Cops traveled in threes.
One who could read.
One who could write.
And one to keep an eye on the two dangerous intellectuals.
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Date: 3/1/12 11:09 (UTC)thanks
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Date: 3/1/12 12:14 (UTC)The smarter you are the LAZIER you are? Damn this explains so much about me!
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Date: 3/1/12 20:35 (UTC)I like it!
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Date: 3/1/12 14:15 (UTC)Why would anyone with high intelligence want to go around enforcing laws, most of which are ineffective and absurd? I think the New London Police Force recognizes this; they don't want philosophers, they want people who follow orders. We have some very smart people in congress and look how fucked up that is.
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Date: 3/1/12 17:43 (UTC)As someone who has been responsible for hiring, I must say that I sympathize with the reasons for shutting out the over-qualified. It is a two-edged sword.
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