Clarification

[victor-szasz.livejournal.com]

Class warefare has been an ongoing popular phrase to toss around in recent times. However, it seems limited as it's largely only being used in one particular direction. The rich want their taxes cut while the not so rich they'd rather pay more taxes. The rich accuse class warfare to any who tell them this is wrong, or suggests that they need to pay more taxes as they can afford it.

What seems to be missed, the reversal, leads to my question: Isn't it also class warfare when the rich expect to be more exempt from paying taxes than those that don't have as much money as they? To have the not so rich and poor pay more than the rich, I mean.

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[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

Class warefare has been an ongoing popular phrase to toss around in recent times.

Vague premise, possibly a strawman.

However, it seems limited as it's largely only being used in one particular direction.

Vague premise. Unclear referents. Unclear use of the modifier "limited."

The rich want their taxes cut while the not so rich they'd rather pay more taxes.

Poor construction. Unclear claim that's unsupportable regardless of which way we're supposed to read it.

The rich accuse class warfare to any who tell them this is wrong, or suggests that they need to pay more taxes as they can afford it.

Vague, unsupportable assertions.

What seems to be missed, the reversal, leads to my question:

Vague, unsupported premise.

Isn't it also class warfare when the rich expect to be more exempt from paying taxes than those that don't have as much money as they?

Poorly constructed and moot.

To have the not so rich and poor pay more than the rich, I mean.

Vague and moot.

[allisnow.livejournal.com]

[victor-szasz.livejournal.com]

Gee, thanks Lenny.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

No problem. Try confining yourself to simple declarative sentences that make supportable assertions.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

Saved me the trouble, thanks.

[policraticus.livejournal.com]

Gosh,, all I was going to post "Argle-Bargle."

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Deconstructing what somebody said while being smart enough to understand their meaning despite poorly constructed sentences and yet not responding to their content is poor etiquette.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

I've been meaning to supply me with some warefare... You know - tax chainmail, a horny welfare helmet, an union arbalet or something... things like that.

[dukexmachismo.livejournal.com]

"Horny Welfare Helmet" would be an incredible name for a band.

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

I could use a tax chainmail.

[blueduck37.livejournal.com]

The idea that the rich pay too much taxes is a joke. They have a) the lowest tax rates right now of the post-WWII era; b) expensive lawyers that the average Joe can't afford who find loopholes and deductions so that some corporations pay LESS THAN ZERO in taxes; c) some of the richest people in America, like John Paulson, pay at most a 15% tax rate since most of their income is in capital gains; d) that cap on the Social Security payroll tax which means they're paying that tax on an infinitesimal portion of their income, as opposed to middle class workers who pay it on 100% of income... etc etc.

The idea that 'class warfare' in America has been against the rich and not from them is about as laughable at the notion that people who lay off workers and outsource and have held wages flat for decades are 'job creators'.

[temporalwarrior.livejournal.com]

I'm more or less on this guy's side.

One way to look at it is the average joe could work their butt off, take advantage of every opportunity in life and the odds would almost be as small as winning the lottery for them to save enough money to provide as much money as a "rich" person could for generations in their family to come.

So let's say Bill Gates has ten kids and they all turn out to be retards. To me it's literally unfathomable how retarded they would have to be in order for his great, great grandchildren to live a very comfortable life. Their IQ would have to be closer to zero than to the average... but rich people are supposed to have super smart people to stop them from making those kind of mistakes. Really, how many multibillionaires are there out there who run their financial affairs like a mom and pops' shop?

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Isn't it also class warfare when the rich expect to be more exempt from paying taxes than those that don't have as much money as they?

Which rich people are you talking about in this example?

[victor-szasz.livejournal.com]

The rich. Wasn't specifying a specific group of the rich. When they're mentioned in the news they are referred to as the rich, just as the middle class are referred to simply as that.

[kardashev.livejournal.com]

The use of the term "class warfare" as you describe it started about 2003 or so when conservative pundit Michael Savage started saying it on his radio program.

It's so last decade.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Uh... (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22class+warfare%22&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1#q=%22class+warfare%22&hl=en&tbo=1&tbm=bks&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:1800,cd_max:1899&sa=X&ei=2GP7TpzjFYXx0gG908WIAg&ved=0CBoQpwUoAw&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=30aed10b55343040&biw=1920&bih=967)

[dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com]

To have the not so rich and poor pay more than the rich, I mean. -- How much do you REALLY think the poor pay in taxes when stats say the wealthiest 1% pay about 40% of the taxes? What exactly do YOU consider poor or rich vs. what the IRS deems poor or rich?

[victor-szasz.livejournal.com]

I'm speaking in vague terms, understandably. I'm poor but someone poorer than me might think I'm fairly okay. Just as some people that're well off are considered rich to anyone that isn't rich.

When this whole thing pops up in the news they don't specify who the rich are, other than they're rich.

Dunno the percentages, I just know they're currently not equal and if the 'rich' have their way they'll be a lot less fair soon enough.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

The wealthiest have over 3/4 the national wealth, so by any system they'll pay more. If they want to pay less, well there's always making sure *everyone* has more so *everyone* pays more....

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Anyone intellectually honest and logically consistent would answer that question yes.

[kardashev.livejournal.com]

Honestly? I dislike the term on both counts because it's loaded with moral judgment on the part of whoever is using it most of the time.

I prefer the term "voting one's pocketbook" since that is what most people do anyway regardless of social class.

[stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com]

I don't know if you are new here. If you are, welcome. We are a very diverse group that regularly dishes out everything from brilliance to wank. Which one is being dished out at the moment is in the eye of the beholder or author.

[victor-szasz.livejournal.com]

I am new to this community, not livejournal

[nairiporter.livejournal.com]

That was comforting. :-)