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Taco Bell Dreams

Today's reports indicate half of US students are failing to meet the minimum standards for learning.


According to the report:

–About half (48 percent) of the nation’s schools did not make AYP in 2011. This marked an increase from 39 percent in 2010, and is the highest percentage since NCLB took effect.

–In almost half the states, 50 percent or more of the public schools did not make AYP; in five states and D.C., at least three quarters of schools failed to make AYP.

–The percentage of public schools not making AYP in 2011 varied greatly by state, from about 11 percent in Wisconsin to about 89 percent in Florida. (In Georgia, 27 percent of schools did not meet targets.)


How has the politics of education failed Ashanta's generation? Ie Ashanta's low expectations result of educational conditions, or is it something else?

ETA: Per Rule 8, I must elaborate on my opinion regarding my question. I believe the education system failed at integration back in the 60's. That, more than Roe v Wade, caused the GOP South to rise and reclaim political power. Not the concept, more the way it was applied ham handed. When the federals imposed mandatory court ordered integration of schools, the response from the white  community was predictable; they fled the cities for the 'relative safety' of majority white neighborhoods. Cities in the South and elsewhere became chocolate filled glazed doughnuts (black in the interior and white in the outer rings). In the South, putting together inner city majorities of Latino (primarily Mexican in the South and PR in the North) and blacks fomented gangs, violence, drugs (hey it was the 60's!) and a generally uncool environment, which lead to more apathy from teachers, white flight, and the tax base that supported education eroded. Politics kicked in and some genius came up with All No children Left Behind. All that, coupled with cutting of funding for sex education caused an increase of pregnancies among teens who continued the cycle a few decades as 31 year old grandmothers. This lead to even more cutting of educational opportunities for Ashanta and her generation. Now we see the result; the continued numbing down of Americans to the point our children's Dr. King Big Dream dream is to work in fast food, because that means she could actually spend some quality time with her over worked mother at the burrito station.

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Date: 15/12/11 19:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shweetnettie13.livejournal.com
Students are under-educated and over-tested, sadly. I don't know how to fix the problem, I just know that there is one.

As for Ashanta's low expectations, I'm going with she's still pretty young and it would be fucking awesome to hang out with mom all day, regardless of where mom worked.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/finland-education-school-2011-12?op=1

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/Why-Are-Finlands-Schools-Successful.html

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Date: 16/12/11 03:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com
It seems the Obama administration has the answer, test less. This certainly is easier than educating more.

"Whether it's 50%, 80% or 100% being incorrectly labeled as failing, one thing is clear: No Child Left Behind is broken," Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a statement. "That's why we're moving forward with giving states flexibility from the law"

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Date: 15/12/11 19:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
You're invited to elaborate, as per this (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/261191.html).

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Date: 15/12/11 19:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lions-wings.livejournal.com
educational conditions, or is it something else?

I don't know her conditions, so I'm leaning towards "something else" because that might include the reasons behind said conditions and thereby win me the whole silverware drawer.*

No Child Left Behind (where 100% were supposed to be able to hit standards) appears to have been ground-tested as completely unrealistic. But I don't know what the failures even mean... if I take a straight-A kid from Massachusetts and put him in Kansas, will he suddenly start failing because the tests are more stringent? Or will he just test out of that grade because the material is different?

I agree something is very wrong but there's not enough context.

Also at one age in my life I wanted to work at McDonalds when I grew up because I thought french fries were pretty, so Ashanta may yet grow up to be a CEO. She certainly thinks outside the box when it comes to mixing patterns.


*AND a toaster oven!

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Date: 15/12/11 19:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
She's from the future. All restaurants are Taco Bell there.

Mellow Greetings, Citizen

Date: 15/12/11 19:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] essentialsaltes.livejournal.com
You look great today!

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Date: 15/12/11 19:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Will Otisburg have Burger Kings?

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Date: 15/12/11 20:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
I still haven't figured out how the 3 sea shells work.

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Date: 15/12/11 22:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terminator44.livejournal.com
What's your boggle?

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Date: 15/12/11 20:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
The parents who use TV and video games as babysitters are the biggest issue. How many of your friends read to their children more than 10 minutes a day? I know it's just personal experiences, but the best kids I've seen academically, and polite and overall just a lot of fun to be around were the ones that had limited access to TV and video games, and their folks were very active in the education process. Not exactly "tiger moms" but they took their parenting skills seriously.

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Date: 15/12/11 20:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
The politics of education failed because too many parents don't give a flying fuck and want the government to make up their apathy for them.

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Date: 15/12/11 20:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
She misses her mother when she is at work.

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Date: 15/12/11 21:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Settle down. What's wrong with kids is what is wrong with adults: everything gets interpreted through an insane anxiety lens. The kid wrote some shit down on a some stupid-ass board some stupid-ass made her write on, and that's about it.

How has the politics of education failed Ashanta's generation?
About the point where someone made a list of international education rankings and then shit their pants because we're not number one by some contrived standards, so now we're gaming the system with "standards" so we can be number one on some bullshit list that means absolutely nothing.

Ie Ashanta's low expectations result of educational conditions, or is it something else?
Oh dear Lord! This is who she is... FOREVER!

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Date: 15/12/11 21:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
When I was 9 years old, nobody asked me one fucking thing about my future. This is because I was a child. A motherfucking child. Nobody stressed out and subjected me to an ever-increasingly twisted series of bullshit standards that change one year to the next anyways, so what the fuck is the point? Nobody looked at me like some kind of rat who needed to fixed, or ran around like some kind of neurotic asshole with irrational fears. No, I was a kid, and as far as I was concerned, I was goddamn Babe Ruth and I was going to play baseball. What the fuck else is a kid supposed to think about "the future"? Shit. Holy goddamn. Fuck, I thought "work" was where you went for eight hours a day only to come home and bitch about people at "work". I pretended to have "work people" that I could bitch about. What the fuck did I know?! And people didn't lose their shit all the goddamn time. Donkey muffin balls, fuck it, we're outta here.

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Re: put it in perspective

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Re: put it in perspective

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Date: 15/12/11 21:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowsdowerisms.livejournal.com
Isn't this exactly what Newt Gingrich and his supporters want?
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Yes.

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Date: 15/12/11 21:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
The American educational system we have today is a human resources sink absorbing an excess of college-educated and MBA consultants who have no market to work in, so the excess supply of labor has turned to the educational system. And they need things to do. So they come up with "ideas" and "plans" and "solutions" and go sell these ideas and plans and solutions and get paid for it. And the point is, none of these ideas or plans or solutions have anything to do with reality, because that isn't how educational consulting works. Educational consulting works by taking a bunch of teachers and administrators, forcing them to go to seminars run by 28 year old MBAs who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, and subject them to hours and endless bullshit wank dreamed up by some random asshole with a degree. That's all there is to it.

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Date: 16/12/11 04:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
An exceptionally complete and accurate answer for 1 paragraph.

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Date: 15/12/11 22:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foolsguinea.livejournal.com
There's nothing wrong with working in a restaurant. I used to want to have my own restaurant, until I actually worked at Taco Bell.

There's something wrong with a society where food servers are treated as disposable and underpaid.

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Date: 15/12/11 22:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
The general rule of thumb is if you can learn how to do a job in a few hours then they'll dispose of you easily.
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Date: 15/12/11 22:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
Low expectations are the only way we can be racist to minorities any more.

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Date: 15/12/11 23:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Or elect the GOP.

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Date: 16/12/11 04:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
I'm just going to throw standardised testing out there as a key problem (but there are many others). When you say to a teacher "we're going to judge you based on how well your students do on this multiple answer test" then all you're going to teach is how to do multiple answer tests. These skills are totally useless in the real world, the teaching of them imparts no real information and students rightly turn off and disengaged because school truly is a waste of their time; they would be learning life skills in a street gang.

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Date: 16/12/11 05:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com
So, on the math portion of a multiple choice test, how will a math teacher teach how to do multiple answer tests in a way that would increase the kid's scores? How about the spelling or vocabulary parts? Would these skills be useless in the real world?

It is actually possible to write a multiple choice test that measures your knowledge of a subject rather than your ability to fill out bubbles.

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Date: 16/12/11 05:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foolsguinea.livejournal.com
Exactly. From the handwriting, note that the girl is a grade-schooler.

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