g: Japan has students clean up their school (along with teachers and whatnot, but that's not relevant to the comparison).
Of course it's relevant. It's a major point of difference between what Japan does and what Newt proposed.
g: So, if a liberal proposed a program for U.S. schools in poor areas to require their students to clean up their schools every day, in exchange for some money, it was treated like it was a job for them except that they couldn't opt out of it, and as a result of that program, the school could get rid of their current janitors, would you oppose it?
Yes. It sounds like a backdoor effort to get rid of union janitors, and quite possibly a violation of child labor laws.
"A job except you couldn't opt out of it?" That doesn't sound like most people's concept of a "job." A job you can't opt out of is a job where you have no leverage when it comes tor things like worker safety, reasonable hours, wages, etc.
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Date: 16/12/11 21:06 (UTC)Of course it's relevant. It's a major point of difference between what Japan does and what Newt proposed.
g: So, if a liberal proposed a program for U.S. schools in poor areas to require their students to clean up their schools every day, in exchange for some money, it was treated like it was a job for them except that they couldn't opt out of it, and as a result of that program, the school could get rid of their current janitors, would you oppose it?
Yes. It sounds like a backdoor effort to get rid of union janitors, and quite possibly a violation of child labor laws.
"A job except you couldn't opt out of it?" That doesn't sound like most people's concept of a "job." A job you can't opt out of is a job where you have no leverage when it comes tor things like worker safety, reasonable hours, wages, etc.