[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
While reviewing the ancient literature of Alexander Hamilton, et al, I was reminded of the conflict between the Pickle Jesus and his Tomato counterpart. People who have been indoctrinated into a monotheistic faith place great value on the institution of their indoctrination. Anything that demonstrates its deceptive nature must be rejected out of hand. That which points to a higher level of understanding must be denied or even violently attacked. Polytheism is seen as an affront to their personal deity despite the fact that they practice a form of polytheism in their own way. It reminds me of Dick Nixon professing his innocence: "I am not a crook."

We can apply the fundamentalist value proposition to each of the monotheistic traditions. The Jewish fundamentalist proclaims that there is only one Yahweh, and it is firmly under orthodox control. Muslim fundamentalists are rigidly in control of the one and only Allah. These people fail to see the irony in their denial of the other Yahweh and the other Allah over which they completely lack control. Nor do they see the irony in their attempt to enslave people by controlling that which they profess to be eternal. (For those who seek equal time, I leave room for a critique of those who profess to control the One True Science.)

Contrary to popular belief, polytheism is more in tune with human nature than is a coerced monotheism. The latter proves the former in its futility and in its own vain attempt to shoe-horn a variety of deities into a single entity. Those who worship the Pickle Jesus and those who worship the Tomato Jesus would be better off coming to an agreement that there can be no single Jesus just as there can be no single Allah nor a single Yahweh.

In the ancient Gnostic literature, orthodoxy is considered a heresy. History testifies to the accuracy of this observation. Roman and Greek orthodoxies get along as well as the pickle and the tomato. Their historic enmity with Muslim and Jewish orthodoxies demonstrate the heretical nature of the whole constellation of monotheisms. There is not one deity and as long as there are more than one human being on the planet, there never will be one deity. Monotheism fails to solve the problems of polytheism because it embodies those problems in its denial of the Other. Monotheism predates polytheism. The latter resulted from the resolution of conflicts between people of competing deities.

Do you trust the material Creator of the flat and immobile Earth?

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Date: 13/12/11 16:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
What is human nature? How does one get in tune with it? Is it like a thing that I have, but I'm not in tune with? I don't understand. How can I have a nature that isn't mine, or a nature that I don't accord with? Do you find this nature-talk just a simple, if unwitting, doctrine of control and tyranny over the anthropology of man? You know who believes in "natures"? Monotheists!

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Date: 13/12/11 16:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
lolololol you can't even stick with the subject. "Human nature" is a rather pernicious and hot subject in history. How can I differentiate your claim of human authenticity from any other? You're just trying to bash me over the head with a totalitarian view of mankind, appealing to "human nature" like how bigotted heterosexuals appeal to "human nature".

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Date: 14/12/11 17:50 (UTC)
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Historically your entire post is nonsense and garbage on par with the David Icke view of the world. This comment is also nonsense and garbage labeled falsely as history.

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Date: 13/12/11 17:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
Listen, dude. Some of us would like to universally project our idiosyncratic experience of consciousness onto others. Your interference with this exercise is not appreciated at all.

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Date: 13/12/11 18:04 (UTC)

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Date: 13/12/11 17:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerseycajun.livejournal.com
*looks at the watermark link*

There's a whole site devoted to these now?

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Date: 13/12/11 17:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
AND THANK THE MATERIAL CREATOR OF THE FLAT AND IMMOBILE EARTH FOR THAT

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Date: 13/12/11 17:43 (UTC)
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People would offer more counter arguments if you offered an actual argument.

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Date: 13/12/11 17:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
THOSE DAMN JOOZ!

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Date: 13/12/11 18:00 (UTC)
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Go right ahead, if that's what floats your boat.

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Date: 14/12/11 02:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
"Jews, Muslims, and Christians all believe in the same one God"

But if that God is different for each religion how can He be the same?
Serious question, and this is prly not the correct forum, I'd like to see PL weigh in on that. (and I hate myself for even asking, but give the man his due)

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Date: 14/12/11 17:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Not exactly. Jews believe God doesn't need messengers and him taking on physical form is out of the question. Christians believe God the Son was incarnate as Jesus Christ and the triune God uses God the Son as mediator between Man and God the Father. Muslims, like Jews, reject God as theophanic and have no patience with Judaism and Christianity except insofar as they're inferior precursors of Islam.

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Date: 14/12/11 16:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
No I have to say the im right and youre dead version of monotheism is probably most aligned with human nature.

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