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http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2011/12/06/planet_in_sweet_spot_of_goldilocks_zone_for_life/

While at present it is not clear if this is a terrestrial or gas giant planet, this is the first occasion where the prospect of extraterrestrial life goes from hypotheses and science fiction to potentially some version of science fact. There are political ramifications for this, and they have to do with a couple-three fairly obvious points. One, this indicates that assuming FTL can be resolved first in terms of proving it can be done and second in terms of developing it to travel from star to star, that there is a possibility that there could well be other planets that are habitable out there, potentially quite a vast number of them. This means that space colonization could actually be viable as a (very) long-term means of perpetuating human survival, as opposed to a stopgap until the Sun goes Red Giant and burns everything up to Jupiter up.

Second, if there is extraterrestrial life, there's no guarantee of course that this life would have a civilization, or if it did that we'd necessarily know it when we saw it. If, however, it does, then there's the first potential possibilities of a completely different history of/type of civilization out there created by a completely different species. Previously this concept has been only speculative, and until we find some way to know it's there and know how to know it's there, it remains such. The reality that there are now ways to know there are other planets *in* the Goldilocks zone means a new potential type of politics: whether or not to try some means of contacting other intelligent life. I remain convinced that intelligent life is intelligent because it does not contact Earth, not because it does contact us, but this still means that political concepts have to broaden yet again.

And third, since there is now this possibility of alien lifeforms that could actually be found, and since this is the first discovery of an extrasolar planet in an area that could produce life, this indicates that there is a good reason to *increase* exploration of space of the unmanned, computerized probe variety. At least to me this indicates that NASA technology is actually producing results that show not only that they can find other planets but are getting increasingly specific. It would seem to me, however, if there is any other life out there that contacting it should be something all humankind should do with a roughly equal say in, as alien life actually existing and potentially able to be contacted would affect everyone.

Your thoughts?

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Date: 6/12/11 19:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lions-wings.livejournal.com
I could be wrong (probably am) but I don't think this is it yet. The temperature thing is promising; that might mean the atmosphere's not unbreatheable from CO2. (There's a lot of other things it could be composed of that we still can't breathe, though.)

I wish we had a little more to go on about what it was composed of. Knowing if the nearby planets were rocky or gaseous would be of some help for my Wild Mass Guessing over here, assuming that galaxy formed the way ours did which is a bit of a jump, but I haven't seen anything.

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Date: 6/12/11 19:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lions-wings.livejournal.com
*solar system, not galaxy. oops.

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Date: 6/12/11 19:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brockulfsen.livejournal.com
Alien lifeforms make Baby Jesus Cry...

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Date: 6/12/11 19:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 404.livejournal.com
I await the announcement of intelligent life found on Earth...

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Date: 7/12/11 05:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
Define intelligent...

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Date: 6/12/11 19:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
It's twice the size of Earth, and some wonder (e.g. Peter Ward) if intelligent life can rise on such a planet MOSTLY because the bigger the planet is, the more locked it's mantle becomes, which prevents several critical things from happening. The fact that there have been hundres of solar systmes discovered and up to this point few of them resemble ours has shocked quite a few astronomers. Ours so far is pretty unique in what's been found, so far.
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Date: 6/12/11 20:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malakh-abaddon.livejournal.com
One other thing, supposing that there is intelligent life on that planet. What makes you think they are friendly? For all we know they are not the Vulcan people, but the Klingon people, and they want to take our little burg over. Just food for thought.

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Date: 6/12/11 20:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lions-wings.livejournal.com
Well, if they haven't done it by now, there's a bit of an arms race going on as they get their alien act together.

If they were close enough that we could find them with our ungraceful but determined looking, they're close enough that they would find us if they had the capacity. And then there's a couple thousand years while we both arm up, along with the hilarious time delay in actually getting to each other.

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Date: 6/12/11 20:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Your thoughts?
Moon people. I'm betting we find life on a moon of a gas giant before we find a rocky planet with life.

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Date: 6/12/11 20:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
Bear in mind that "contacting" means sending and receiving info at or close to the speed of light. Even if FTL can be achieved, that means huge relativistic effects. So when you send a signal to a system that's located 600 ly away (like Kepler-22b), by the time it arrives there, hundreds of years will have passed here. And by the time anyone returns an answer, we might well have wiped ourselves out of the face of this planet.

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Date: 6/12/11 20:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
I remain convinced that intelligent life is intelligent because it does not contact Earth, not because it does contact us

Or rather that it doesn't care about an insignificant speck like us. If a civilization is so far ahead of us as we're from termites, perhaps they wouldn't even bother to notice us.

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Date: 6/12/11 20:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Nonsense. I have a plethora of interesting things to say that any advanced civilization would want to know.

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Date: 6/12/11 20:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
I always find it amusing that flying saucers would carry aliens from galaxies that are thousands of light years away. It would take them millions of years to reach us, and all of that, just to say hi?

It's also strange that a far more advanced civilization would prefer to hide around like spies and "infiltrate" ours before it ever ventures to make a contact. That's not what happened with any of the advanced Western civilizations when they sent expeditions to the New World. The captain would loudly step on the shore and proclaim this land a territory of the king, and anyone who'd dare to disagree with that would meet hard steel, period.

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Date: 6/12/11 20:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
Who are you to call them "strange"? It's perfectly normal where they come from. You don't go over to people's houses without first thoroughly infiltrating and surveilling the dining room in their culture.

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Date: 6/12/11 20:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com
Its big out there. Hard to do in one lifetime. Perhaps worth doing nonetheless.

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Date: 6/12/11 20:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nairiporter.livejournal.com
Wow those planets keep popping up like mushrooms!

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Date: 6/12/11 21:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
They also have a similar effect on my head! :)

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Date: 6/12/11 22:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dv8nation.livejournal.com
We should try and reach this planet as soon as possible. There might be oil there.

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Date: 7/12/11 00:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lions-wings.livejournal.com
(Insert mental image of aliens rushing here hoping for layers of compressed ancient spore deposits)

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Date: 6/12/11 23:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
At 600 light years away from it, we best be workin' on a warp drive.

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Date: 7/12/11 00:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
No. We are only 30 years from the Rapturesingularity and we will become immortal.

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Date: 7/12/11 01:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kardashev.livejournal.com
Surface entirely water? Holy shit! We've located Dac!

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dac

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Date: 7/12/11 05:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onefatmusicnerd.livejournal.com
Limits on ethical research, I think that about 200 days is the current record for limited social group experiments - you can't hold them against their will.

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Date: 7/12/11 02:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com
It might be time to build the Dark Star.

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Date: 7/12/11 04:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
We should send the nukes out now, so the place is clean by the time we get there...
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Date: 7/12/11 06:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
So what you're saying is that all the EM radiation in the Universe isn't really going the speed of light and taking millions of years to get here, they're just going very slowly below significant fractions of .9999999 of light or something? Which is, somehow, miraculously faster than the actual speed of light?

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