[identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Ladies and Gentlemen of Friday Lulz Day, I present to you the pride of Great Britain:



Oh, and for anything to discuss -- do the stringent gun laws in Great Britain actually work as evidenced by the fact that this foul-mouth, pig-headed bigot feels entirely safe to rant like this on a crowded train full of the people she hates and does not appear to be afraid of being shot?

Edit to add: Oh, look! Race Genius Ramzpaul chimes in!!

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Date: 2/12/11 23:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-mangos.livejournal.com
I don't know about getting shot but she came close to getting her ass kicked by the guy behind her. On one hand I'm sorry half the train held him back. But on the other, he probably would have been the one who got in trouble.

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Date: 2/12/11 23:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
I guess we should all go back where we came from, but the Olduvai Gorge could get very crowded.

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Date: 2/12/11 23:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] koken23.livejournal.com
Sweet merciful crap, what a fruitcake this woman is.

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Date: 2/12/11 23:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] il-mio-gufo.livejournal.com
finally....i was wondering when this was going to show up!

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Date: 2/12/11 23:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foreverbeach.livejournal.com
Are you saying minorities would kill people who say racist stuff if it weren't for the gun control in England? Wow. Just wow. That might be the most racist thing you've said yet.

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Date: 3/12/11 00:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
So, you don't think this discussion could be held about any number of groups that get heavily provoked in a secluded area? It has to specifically be about immigrants because they are in the video, and they can never be part of a larger universal human example?

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Date: 3/12/11 00:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foreverbeach.livejournal.com
What? Follow the bouncing ball. He insinuated that were it not for gun laws, minorities might have murdered this bigot...

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Date: 3/12/11 00:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
No, he is giving one specific example of a provocative person who is targeting a number of people in a secluded area and setting a discussion about gun laws in Britain. At no point does the post say that only immigrants would reach for their guns if gun laws were American lax.

If anything it is you who have odd instincts about racism, since you can't see a larger context about humanity and gun laws here. A wagon with soccer hooligans from different teams or any other groups work just as well as example, except this video is the latest thing going viral.

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Date: 3/12/11 00:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foreverbeach.livejournal.com
Oh ok. He was implying that soccer hooligans on this train would have shot this woman with lax gun laws. Got it.

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Date: 3/12/11 00:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
or..you now, an armed individual within a heavily provoked group, with the right triggers.

I know large pictures and contexts are hard, but keep trying!

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Date: 3/12/11 00:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
I wish Ramzpaul would go the fuck back from where his ancestors came from. Or just die.

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Date: 3/12/11 00:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
Or, at the very least, learn the definition of genocide.

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Date: 3/12/11 00:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
There is no hope of that I fear.
From: [identity profile] montecristo.livejournal.com
Perverse consequences, anyone? The people of the UK attempt to impose "brotherly love" at government gunpoint (because the "voters" are much too squeamish to commit their own coercion, you understand) and they get foul-mouthed acrimoniously racist collectivism in the subways. Precious! They take away people's guns and gun crime, among others, goes up! (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576406/28-gun-crimes-committed-in-UK-every-day.html) They presume to violate the first law of nature: the right of self-defense, and opportunistic criminals take advantage of the defenseless. (http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/01/gun-controls-twisted-outcome/singlepage) Who would have guessed that would happen? Not the sheep, that's for sure.

That's what happens when the cowardly, the hoplophobic, the stupid, and those seeking to evade reality run rampant and write the rules.
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
What a bunch of bogus. Your second article from 2002 has not ONE supporting reference or link to statistics supporting the UK having more crime than the US.

If 28 gun crimes are committed in the UK per day (from your 2008 article), then it is still highly preferable to 40-60 times more in the US.

And the US is fourth in the world when it comes to gun murders. In the UK gun crimes (any crime, fatal or not) is between 0.3% and 0.5% in the US fatal gun crime, not counting any other gun crimes, is well above 3%.

Way to cherrypick your "facts". Also, you should probably note that gun crime has decreased in the UK since 2008 (when your article is from), some say the spike had specific connections to a drug crime situation at that time, other inclinations support situations in Northern Ireland.

While the UK has strict gun laws, it is by no means "forbidden" to own a gun. It can't be fully automatic and it has to be licensed though. So you saying the government "took it away" is also rather meaningless.
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
Putting aside the political screeds and flawed metrics I find it interesting that while the US has a highre murder rate than the UK it has a signifigantly lower rate of violent crime in general. (Rapes, Murders, Kidnappings, and Armed Robbery)

Approx 450 incidents per 100,000 people in the US vs. 2,000 in the UK (as of 2008)

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_01.html

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/hub/crime-justice/crime/violent-and-sexual-crime
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
Why are you giving an exact table for the US numbers but not for the UK?
Can you please direct me to the exact table that claims that the UK has 2000 violent crime incidents per 1000000 ppl?

I found thorough numbers and facts in this report (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb1011/hosb1011snr?view=Binary), but not your exact numbers. So if you could just show me the UK equivalent to what you're claiming.
From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
Sorry, It's one of those annoying flash apps that does not let you link directly.

Click the link and then click "Overview", about 2/3rds of the way down the page there is a graph showing incidents per 100,000 people.
From: [identity profile] sealwhiskers.livejournal.com
Okay, so it was the graph I though you may mean. Then let me ask you if you are aware of what the BCS is, and how it differs from the FBI statistics of the US? (I suspect you make the same mistake as some trends in articles in reg. to UK vs. US crime have done in the last handful of years)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
I'm shocked, simply shocked that yet again you have found a way to work an unrelated incident into your endless soapbox tirade against any and all government.

Sometimes a windmill is just a windmill.

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Date: 3/12/11 04:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
WTF did he do with the Kurt Vonnegut thing again? Did he just make up a story about a fake grandfather figure and then take it like it was real or something? Holy shit. Did he even keep up with Kurt Vonnegut's politics?

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Date: 3/12/11 12:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lai-choi-san.livejournal.com
do the stringent gun laws in Great Britain actually work as evidenced by the fact that this foul-mouth, pig-headed bigot feels entirely safe to rant like this on a crowded train full of the people she hates and does not appear to be afraid of being shot?

No. IMO, she's the kind of mentally-ill woman who uses her own child/children as an armor.

Poor poor poor kid ! :/
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Date: 3/12/11 19:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lai-choi-san.livejournal.com
And sadly a childhood like this can have consequences on the rest of his life. Let's hope he'll pull through.

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Date: 4/12/11 09:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
The consequences will never be the same!

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Date: 4/12/11 13:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lai-choi-san.livejournal.com
What do you mean by that ?

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Date: 3/12/11 19:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
Lagos is not the capital of Nigeria. His argument is invalid.

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Date: 3/12/11 20:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
All Under L has to say about it is that thanks to the Romans black Africans are the real Britons and Sassenach are illegal immigrants....

Image

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Date: 4/12/11 06:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onefatmusicnerd.livejournal.com
Fuck, does that mean I have to go back to England?

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Date: 4/12/11 09:17 (UTC)

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