Erin Pizzey tells her own story.

[mintogrubb.livejournal.com]

http://rebukingfeminism.blogspot.com/2009/01/erin-pizzey-one-womans-story.html

Ok, that is the link.
Me? I reckon she did the right thing.
I am not sure what benefit I might have gained from blowing up Biba, a store in london - but if her refuges had been there for my mother, it certainly would have helped.
I am suprised that some feminists still attack her - and no, I don't subscribe to Harriet Harman's view that men cannot contribute anything to the family.

But what's your take on Erin Pizzey, I wonder?

Comments

[blue-mangos.livejournal.com]

Why are we even discussing 2nd wave feminism? It is not valid in today's culture. Do you want me to admit that some 2nd wave feminists were angry man-haters? Fine, I will admit to that fact. But many were not, and even the ones that were made tremendous strides towards womens equality that cannot be discounted. I understand you are of the opinion that we should be focusing on gender neutral advancements but until we gain full equality that can't happen. If we move men and women forward at the same pace, then men will still be ahead won't they?

You seem to be using this article as a way to paint feminists in general in a bad light. In fact I can't help but notice that every time I make a post that showcases feminism or women in a positive way you immediately make a counter-post to show another side. Why do you think that is?

[mintogrubb.livejournal.com]

what did I say in yr last post that you deem so negative ?

[blue-mangos.livejournal.com]

I meant that every time I make a post about these issues you make one of your own that shows women in a negative light. You have not noticed this pattern?

[mintogrubb.livejournal.com]

to be honest, no.
I mean, how many posts have you made that I came in on?
And what was so negative about my feedback last time? Or any other time?

I mean, I did like that post - I said I found it encouraging.
Even so, you are telling me that my feedback wasn't encouraging to you it seems, so let's talk about it for as long as you want.

Let me say this, I am of the opinion that society is skewed in favour of wealthy, white, adult males. And even if I qualify on 2 out of 3, there was a time when I didn't. And no, I don't thiink much of the system, as it was then or even the way it is now.

For me, the answer is Green politics, specifically the agenda that the Green Party in England and Wales is signed up to. And you can find that under policies on our website.

As a society, we need to focus on those on the margins at home and abroad. Defending public services from cuts - keeping schools, hospitals and public libraries open: regulating industry and having a massive investment in Green projects like housing, schools and hospitals, with training in apprenticeships.

I don't see anything here that anyone of either gender can't get behind. The Green Party is committed to a raft of measures specifically enhancing women's role in society and their status in the world. I can drop you a link on that, if you wish.

I think the big problem I have with ~most~ feminists is their insistence that "men do ok out of the system". Yes, I suppose a lot of them do - but then again, lots of men don't and I oppose the system, not just where it has harmed me personally, but where it harms anyone else.

And, I have to say, that previous to meeting you, a lot of people have been in denial about the harm that society has allowed individuals to inflict on me and on the people care about.

It either gets filed under 'didn't happen', or 'doesn't matter' or simply "It is your own fault, somehow , you have to buy into our values, because our way is the only way to do things".

Sorry - I don't buy any of that. It may be that in terms of financial commitment, that I can't contribute to everyone's campaign, but I really don't see a problem in being supportive to gays and immigrants and all the rest of the marginalised groups in our society. It ought to be about uniting to solve a common problem.

Oh, a lot of folks are happy enough to see me turn up on their rally and whatever. But point out to such people that I'm an ACA, or that I myself have sufferd from sexual abuse, domestic violence, or any other such issue - and something strange happens.
My story isn't mine any more, it sort of 'belongs' to the group that wants to tell me my story for me.

Er, no. I am sure that University graduates can shed a lot of light on the lives of the underpriviledged children in London, but I used to be an underpriviledged child myself. It isn't so much about landing a good place in university, that doesn't work if you only have three O levels, you get into a big firm with a big Union - that is what I did and as far as I am concerned, it worked for me.

But, we were talking about your posts. There are any number of groups out there that want my support, and you don't have to be like me to get my support- but the big thing is, I want my life to amount to something, I want my contribution accepted and acknowledged and not ignored.

Because all that talk about human dignity and stuff - that applies just as much to me as gay people, black people, women and all the groups I don't belong to.