Erin Pizzey tells her own story.

[mintogrubb.livejournal.com]

http://rebukingfeminism.blogspot.com/2009/01/erin-pizzey-one-womans-story.html

Ok, that is the link.
Me? I reckon she did the right thing.
I am not sure what benefit I might have gained from blowing up Biba, a store in london - but if her refuges had been there for my mother, it certainly would have helped.
I am suprised that some feminists still attack her - and no, I don't subscribe to Harriet Harman's view that men cannot contribute anything to the family.

But what's your take on Erin Pizzey, I wonder?

Comments

[curseangel.livejournal.com]

I agree here.

I found it a bit troubling how quick Pizzey was to demonize feminists as a group -- calling them "dedicated to destroying the family" and all of that. And you know, assuming feminist = lesbian and lesbian = omgMAN HATER in there at least once (..seriously, "radical lesbians?").

About halfway through, the narrative derails almost entirely to a "but what about the men?" argument, also, which is... unproductive, to say the least. How dare women want refuges for female domestic violence survivors and their children to not be run by men, when they're running from men and may be deeply traumatized and afraid! How dare women protest the idea of needing a man to be any sort of a family! Women are EVIL and vindictively keep fathers from seeing their children at all simply because they can! Evil feminists are keeping the poor men down! Etc., etc. Lovely. No wonder this was posted at an MRA blog; it's very in keeping with their beliefs about feminists.

Also, her comment about domestic violence "not being a gendered [issue]" to her rings very false when the majority of abusers are men and the majority of victims are women and young children.

[blue-mangos.livejournal.com]

Did you check out some of the other blog entries? As soon as I saw the titles I started to laugh. Yep, this is a credible source.

[curseangel.livejournal.com]

I didn't until just now and... wow, lol. That blog. Wow. Totally a credible and unbiased source! Just the news from this one, guys! Just like Fox!

[blue-mangos.livejournal.com]

Look what I just found there:

Make no mistake, women are not your enemy. They are being used by feminists to create class division between men and women, to divide and conquer us both. As the principal means to usurp and rule our people. Women will defer to their innate or instructed promise of entitlement to their needs, men to the needs of women and us both to the state and working industry who will increasingly dictate the terms of our sacred bond. We must both fight the tyranny of feminism

Evil feminists using innocent women to bring down the poor MRAs. I for one have had my eyes opened and am signing up immediately to end this vicious tyranny.

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

The paranoia is pretty fucking scary:

Men must come to the clear understanding that we do not have rights what so ever and that we no longer live in America. A full sweep attack upon men, our civil liberties and justice is under way. It has already happened. What you have read above is the expansion of it. A NATIONAL MEN'S LEGAL DEFENSE FUND MUST BE FORMED IMMEDIATELY! MEN MUST PROTECT OURSELVES FROM GOVERNMENT TYRANNY AND THE TYRANNY OF FEMALE AGENCY ENACTED FORTH BY GOVERNMENT. IF THE NATIONS WOMEN DO NOT WANT THIS I EXPECT THEM TO COME TO OUR DEFENSE IN OUR TIME OF NEED.



Someone who thinks this is a few drinks away from a clock tower and a sniper rifle.

[blue-mangos.livejournal.com]

lol, no rights whatsoever. What fantasy world are these men living in? Also, I am dying at 'female agency'. You know they wanted to say Worldwide Feminist Agenda but felt that may be just a little too crazy. Good to know they have some standards.

[mintogrubb.livejournal.com]

The quote from Pizzey has turned up entire in a few places, I think the Daily Mail also has it.

I don't think we can put Pizzey down as a fanatic because a fanatic is the only person to quote her speech in its entirety on his blog.

there are plent of exerts and references elsewhere that demonstrate that this piece in the OP was her work and no -one else's.

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

I wasn't quoting Pizzey there. I was quoting the blogger whose page quoting Pizzey you linked to.

HE'S unhinged in his paranoia about feminism. Pizzey I am accusing of presenting a distorted view of feminism as a whole.

[mintogrubb.livejournal.com]

HE'S unhinged in his paranoia about feminism. Pizzey I am accusing of presenting a distorted view of feminism as a whole.

Well, it sounds to me like you are trying to damn Pizzey by association. this guy has the longest complete quote on Pizzey I can find - I thought maybe an independent source would have been better than her own weblog , but I can go there if you wish .

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

No, I am not trying to damn Pizzey by his words. I am commenting on the blogger in response to a comment about the blogger.

I am criticizing Pizzey for entirely different reasons.

[mintogrubb.livejournal.com]

So,let's focus on that , and not the blogger who quotes her - I am not interested in this guy half as much as you , it seems.

His only role in this discussion is that he quotes her work. he may well agree, but this does not alter the fact that Pizzey has said this herself, it's her ideas I want to consider.

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

You know, I've discussed Pizzey here plenty, and you don't get to decide what every side conversation among responders gets to be.

Sheesh.

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

Biba wasn't even bombed by the specific feminist group Pizzey was briefly invovled in -- look up "Biba" and "bombing" and you get a British version of the Bader Meinhof Gang called "The Angry Brigade". Pizzey makes no distinction between members of her group who may have known and approved of the plot and the entire feminist movement.

[montecristo.livejournal.com]

I'd say sneers and eye-rolling are the first signs that someone is threatened by an idea and desperate to hide it.

[blue-mangos.livejournal.com]

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? We're laughing because MRA groups are laughable. They have no base in reality, but by all means defend them, I could use some more lulz right about now, it looks like the Stanley Cup will not be coming home to Canada and I'm a little upset.

[montecristo.livejournal.com]

I'm not "defending them;" you're pretending that the original poster doesn't have a point by ignoring it and attacking the people. Have all the lulz you want; it doesn't seem to be about the substance here at all, does it? Pizzey is asserting that violence is a human problem, not a suitable redoubt from which to assail enemies of one's identity politics. I say she has a point, but by all means, let's make the question all about the people who agree with her and certainly not the substance of her ideas.

[blue-mangos.livejournal.com]

We're not ignoring it, several of us have asserted the reasons we do not agree with her position elsewhere. The MRA blog was just a little side-diversion for us to laugh over.

[mintogrubb.livejournal.com]

So, following your line of reasoning , if the blogger quoted Einstein on Relativity, that makes Einstein wrong ?

Yes, it is worrying that a nice, acceptably left wing source like the Guardian does not quote Pizzey in her entirety.
But the only real responses are
A)Pizzey never really said this
or B) Pizzey did say this but I dissagree with her because...the fact that some guy who is a fruitloop quotes her article in full is no reason to dismiss her argument.

[blue-mangos.livejournal.com]

or c) I disagree with her as she is using an extreme fringe group (that it seems actually did not even carry out the bombing) to paint all of feminism as violent and angry.

[mintogrubb.livejournal.com]

Also, her comment about domestic violence "not being a gendered [issue]" to her rings very false when the majority of abusers are men and the majority of victims are women and young children.

Hmmm... is this because 'young children 'cannot by definition be 'male' at the same time as they are being 'young children' ?

Like, have you any idea how much harm it does to a small child, repeatedly seeing his or her own mother being violently beaten up by a drunken father?

When I was 19, my dad threw me out of the house. That's right, he turned me out onto the street because I tried to protect my mother from his violent attacks.

Sorry, but as a male myself, I say that domestic violence is as much my problem as it is for women in the same situation.

For boys over the age of 14, the availability of refuge space is still not on a par with spaces for women.