ext_39051 ([identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2010-11-30 10:15 am
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Joe Scarborough highly critical of Sarah Palin and suggests GOP should do the same.




In an Op-Ed piece for Politico, Joe Scarborough thinks the GOP should "man-up" and take Sarah Palin down a peg. "Republicans have a problem," Scarborough writes at Politico. "The most-talked-about figure in the GOP is a reality show star who cannot be elected." To make matters worse, Scarborough prods, Palin does all of this while demeaning the legacy of GOP standard-bearers that many hold dear, people such as former presidents Reagan, whom she casually downplayed as "an actor," as well as George H.W. and Barbara Bush, whom she deemed "blue bloods." In a particularly caustic passage, Scarborough seeks to draw a comparison between the legacies of H.W. Bush and Palin:

"I suppose Palin's harsh dismissal of this great man is more understandable after one reads her biography and realizes that, like Bush, she accomplished a great deal in her early 20s. Who wouldn't agree that finishing third in the Miss Alaska beauty contest is every bit as treacherous as risking your life in military combat? Maybe the beauty contestant who would one day be a reality star and former governor didn't win the Distinguished Flying Cross, but the half-termer was selected as Miss Congeniality by her fellow contestants." Source.


Ouch. Sarah Palin's seriousness was questioned as recently in October by none other than Karl Rove, who suggested that a presidential candidate who appeared in a reality television show wouldn't have much gravitas. Peggy Noonan, Ronald Reagan's speechwriter fired off a few choice words to Palin, calling her a "nincompoop." While many defend St. Palin, suggesting it's the mean ole poopy-pant liberal media that has it "out" for her, there are plenty within the Republican party that also think Sarah is a lot of hot air.

Joe Scarborough's editorial.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2010-11-30 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
No, what worked with Bush was that his opponents were feckless idiots. Gore wanted a recount in 2000 of a specific limited number of counties that were pro-Bush, where if he'd asked for the entire state he would have won. Kerry was so pathetic that he, despite being a *real* war hero was outplayed on Vietnam by a good ol' boy draft dodger.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2010-11-30 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
He wasn't sitting on the sidelines cheering on the people actually bleeding and dying the way GWB did.

[identity profile] verytwistedmind.livejournal.com 2010-11-30 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam
- John Kerry APRIL 22, 1971

If only he had sat on the sidelines.... What he did was far far worse.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2010-11-30 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Telling the truth about dark deeds in a war theoretically fought for freedom by the truth, sweetness, and light side against the hordes of Mordor? Oh horror of horrors, how terribly dreadful.

[identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com 2010-11-30 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Except his statements before congress have been pretty conclusively proven to be fabrications.

That they may have actually been happening somewhere in Vietnam is irrelevant he had no personal knowledge of them.

[identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com 2010-12-01 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
I have knowledge of soldiers shooting elephants from choppers, and prisoners being thrown out of them.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/-wanderer-/ 2010-11-30 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, Kerry is talking about things that other people did.

[identity profile] usekh.livejournal.com 2010-11-30 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Told the truth about what happened?

[identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com 2010-11-30 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
If risking your life to save fellow soldiers doesn't make you a war hero then what does?

[identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com 2010-11-30 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Lets just say that I found the Swift Boat Veterans versions of the events that got him his silver star far more credible than Kerry's.

[identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com 2010-11-30 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
You mean more so than the military's? Why, because you don't agree with Kerry's politics?

[identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com 2010-11-30 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Only partially. I grew up in his district and watched him rise to power from Assistant DA on up and have had problems with his political opportunism long before he was elected to the Senate, in fact long before I knew about his service in Vietnam or testimony before Congress after returning.

When he was charged with political maneuvering to get a silver star for actions that were on the whole not terribly out of the ordinary for anyone in his unit it fit exactly with the John Kerry that I had known as a DA when I first started to become politically aware in the late 70's.

[identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com 2010-11-30 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
When was he "charged" with political maneuvering?

[identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com 2010-11-30 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes charged, accused. It the term is not only restricted to fomal legal proceedings, basically anytime someone makes a claim about you you could say they are charging you with whatever the claim is.

This should not be interpreted to mean that there was any criminal activity he was accused of, just being a slimeball.

[identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com 2010-12-01 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
Any asshole can make an accusation, was there any proof provided or was it just a baseless smear tactic?

[identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com 2010-12-01 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
More credible than his own crew members? Yeah, the Swift Boaters that weren't there when the event happened.

[identity profile] usekh.livejournal.com 2010-11-30 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Silver_Star_Citation_-_John_Kerry

[identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com 2010-11-30 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
As a matter of fact, yes.