ext_306469 ([identity profile] paft.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2010-03-23 08:17 pm

Violent Words. Violent Acts. It's Not Rocket Science.

Mike Vanderboegh, of Pinson, Ala., former head of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern "Sons of Liberty" to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita. 13 Wham.com

The call from the right for liberals to “do what we say and you won’t get hurt” has been turned up just a notch. In reaction to the passage of health reform, a right wing blogger named Mike Vanderboegh called on his readers to break the windows of Democrats. Shortly afterwards, several Democratic Party offices in different cities were targeted with bricks flung through their windows. Mr. Vanderboegh seems positively exhilarated by the response to his message:
"Wake up and understand what is happening in this country. You need to start listening to people who you think you didn't have to pay any attention to, because sooner or later they will get your attention.”

Indeed. In fact, someone out there is so hungry for attention that someone phoned in to the office of Louise Slaughter threatening violence against the children of lawmakers who support healthcare reform.

Imagine that. A blogger posts a call to vandalism on his blog – and vandalism takes place! It’s as if words typed into the ether actually have some sort of meaning and lead to action in the offline world!

Vanderboegh, of course, insists that he’s not promoting “actual violence.” “How ambiguous is it if I say break windows? Am I saying kill people, absolutely not,” he insists.



But you see, here’s the thing about blogging -- readers are able to see, not just the message of the blogger but, through the comments section, how that message is processed and interpreted.

And looking through the comments posted on Mr. Vanderboegh’s blog does not indicate much reluctance about upping the ante if smashing windows doesn’t work. Here are a few of the comments posted by his fans in reaction to what he calls “the window war.” I should point out that the number of comments on his blog are not high, and these were not at all difficult to find:

“Hmmm, no demopub office here, far as I know. I'll think of something...”

“One article talks about a lack of notes, the other, a lack of injuries...hmmm”

“Today it was bricks, tomorrow it will be ???? The fuse has been lit.”

“We need to track these highly respectable representatives (cough) down to their residences.
Where we can then present them a Hallmark card (cough) kindly requesting they consider the Contitution when they vote..
Rocks and bricks are optional but torchs, pitch forks, tar and feathers are encouraged!!”

“As we know, our society has its roots in broken windows - not to mention tar-and-feathers (always horrible, often fatal) and bullets!”

“I wonder if the brain dead socialist in Washington would get the idea if it happened a lot more often. 
Would a wrist rocket and some ball bearings help get the idea across?”

“I bought a pistol belt and load bearing harness at the Army/Navy surplus store today. Haven't worn one since 1981. Fits real nice.”

“Good thing 223 ammo is still cheep and available. just bought another 1000 rds for 'target' pratice. these clowns are the best gun and ammo salesman in the world.”

“4" PVC Pipe
End Cap
Portable Compressed Air Tank
Hose
Pipe Fittings
Valve
Expanding Foam for Sabot 
Brick

Paint, Scope, Laser Rangefinder, and compensator optional.

Use of above parts left to the imagination of the reader.”

“They're all whining about bricks......

Just wait until it turns to bullets.”


But hey, this is all just a bunch of blog commenters right? It couldn’t possibly have an impact in the real world. It's all just posted to upset liberals.

Right?

Well, it has had an impact in the real world. Strange as it may seem to many people, those supposedly “meaningless” comments sections on a blog (and a small comments section at that) actually reflect the views of human beings who exist outside of the Internet and are capable of acting in the offline world.

Literal people, not virtual people, who are capable of reading Mr. Vanderboegh's blog, literally hefting a literal brick, and literally hurling it through a literal window.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
you have a strange idea of the distribution of crazies here. like, if you want to express this as some kind of ratio, you're not going to win.

Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service.

Some threats to Mr Obama, whose Secret Service codename is Renegade, have been publicised, including an alleged plot by white supremacists in Tennessee late last year to rob a gun store, shoot 88 black people, decapitate another 14 and then assassinate the first black president in American history.
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html)

1:5 for assassination threats and an even wider gap domestic terrorist actions since obama took office doesn't really neatly express this bizarre "welp both sides do it" equivocation with any sort of honesty.

incidentally, i'm sure none of this has anything to do with race, only teh librul demoncrats care about that: The Secret Service has looked into a number of race-based threats since Obama took office, and a Facebook poll that asked "Should Obama be killed?" President Obama also had a Secret Service detail 18 months before the election, the earliest of any Presidential candidate.

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The Southern Poverty Law Center issued a report back in August that found that the number of white supremacist militia groups has spiked by 35% since 2000. The Secret Service has, in turn, increased its employees from 6,700 two years ago to a projected 7,055 in the coming fiscal year, almost entirely devoted to protecting national leaders. But that's a staff increase of just 5.3 percent -- nowhere near the 400 percent increase in threats to the president's life."
(http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/new-report-find-secret-service-overwhelmed-by-increased-threats.php)

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope no ratios.
Yes I remember the two guys being arrested for planning to rob a gun-shop then dress up in all white kill 88 blacks and cut off head off 14 and drive to the inauguration and kill Obama.

I also remember movie made about killing Bush, book written about killing Bush, posters and arts made about killing Bush, t-shirts made about killing Bush, bumper stickers about killing Bush, radio-talk hosts calling for assassination of Bush...

And to quote Democrat Kentucky governor Steve Beshear
“When I mention that Democrats are problem solvers, I can think of only one Republican who can be a problem solver — that is Vice President Dick Cheney if he would just take George on a hunting trip,”

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
400% increase means nothing to you? and you are aware that this same 400% believed that criticizing ol' george in any way was treason, yes?

also most reasonable people would agree that there is no such thing as a liberal politician in kentucky.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Again if they count threats like the one about 14/88 killing in white tuxedos - half of the liberals would be rotting in jail by now for vocalizing their desire to kill Bush.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
that's quite the headcount you've got there. based on so much independent research i'm sure, and not just impotent stammering. half of us totally wanted to kill bush and all of us wanted to murder all the babies. the only thing that kept him alive was prayer. prayer and gitmo. and war. and some other horsemen.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you think they counted and investigated facebook polls (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/secret-service-facebook-poll-not-a-threat.php) as death threats during Bush's administration?

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
do you think they shouldn't?

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
i am sure they weren't during Bush's presidency.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
ah yes i forgot you quit working for the secret service because you could not in good conscience defend a muslim with your life

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
yes yes yes as always you are right