ext_306469 ([identity profile] paft.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2010-03-23 08:17 pm

Violent Words. Violent Acts. It's Not Rocket Science.

Mike Vanderboegh, of Pinson, Ala., former head of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern "Sons of Liberty" to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita. 13 Wham.com

The call from the right for liberals to “do what we say and you won’t get hurt” has been turned up just a notch. In reaction to the passage of health reform, a right wing blogger named Mike Vanderboegh called on his readers to break the windows of Democrats. Shortly afterwards, several Democratic Party offices in different cities were targeted with bricks flung through their windows. Mr. Vanderboegh seems positively exhilarated by the response to his message:
"Wake up and understand what is happening in this country. You need to start listening to people who you think you didn't have to pay any attention to, because sooner or later they will get your attention.”

Indeed. In fact, someone out there is so hungry for attention that someone phoned in to the office of Louise Slaughter threatening violence against the children of lawmakers who support healthcare reform.

Imagine that. A blogger posts a call to vandalism on his blog – and vandalism takes place! It’s as if words typed into the ether actually have some sort of meaning and lead to action in the offline world!

Vanderboegh, of course, insists that he’s not promoting “actual violence.” “How ambiguous is it if I say break windows? Am I saying kill people, absolutely not,” he insists.



But you see, here’s the thing about blogging -- readers are able to see, not just the message of the blogger but, through the comments section, how that message is processed and interpreted.

And looking through the comments posted on Mr. Vanderboegh’s blog does not indicate much reluctance about upping the ante if smashing windows doesn’t work. Here are a few of the comments posted by his fans in reaction to what he calls “the window war.” I should point out that the number of comments on his blog are not high, and these were not at all difficult to find:

“Hmmm, no demopub office here, far as I know. I'll think of something...”

“One article talks about a lack of notes, the other, a lack of injuries...hmmm”

“Today it was bricks, tomorrow it will be ???? The fuse has been lit.”

“We need to track these highly respectable representatives (cough) down to their residences.
Where we can then present them a Hallmark card (cough) kindly requesting they consider the Contitution when they vote..
Rocks and bricks are optional but torchs, pitch forks, tar and feathers are encouraged!!”

“As we know, our society has its roots in broken windows - not to mention tar-and-feathers (always horrible, often fatal) and bullets!”

“I wonder if the brain dead socialist in Washington would get the idea if it happened a lot more often. 
Would a wrist rocket and some ball bearings help get the idea across?”

“I bought a pistol belt and load bearing harness at the Army/Navy surplus store today. Haven't worn one since 1981. Fits real nice.”

“Good thing 223 ammo is still cheep and available. just bought another 1000 rds for 'target' pratice. these clowns are the best gun and ammo salesman in the world.”

“4" PVC Pipe
End Cap
Portable Compressed Air Tank
Hose
Pipe Fittings
Valve
Expanding Foam for Sabot 
Brick

Paint, Scope, Laser Rangefinder, and compensator optional.

Use of above parts left to the imagination of the reader.”

“They're all whining about bricks......

Just wait until it turns to bullets.”


But hey, this is all just a bunch of blog commenters right? It couldn’t possibly have an impact in the real world. It's all just posted to upset liberals.

Right?

Well, it has had an impact in the real world. Strange as it may seem to many people, those supposedly “meaningless” comments sections on a blog (and a small comments section at that) actually reflect the views of human beings who exist outside of the Internet and are capable of acting in the offline world.

Literal people, not virtual people, who are capable of reading Mr. Vanderboegh's blog, literally hefting a literal brick, and literally hurling it through a literal window.

[identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 07:20 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry, but this is just plain bullshit. Yes, there were a few fringe crazies during the Bush presidency that took it way too far, but it wasn't the mainstream of the party. There's no comparison. This isn't a 'those guys did it too' because they didn't.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Militias are mainstream of republican party? Rukh, what are you smoking? (rhetorical question) Well unless you consider Micheal Moore or Code Pink being mainstream of democratic party.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
michael moore and code pink don't train to kill u.s. soldiers and assassinate the president

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/03/eliminationism-in-america-appendix.html

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
So you think that Moore, Code Pink and others like them define the democratic party? I'm just curious.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
the democratic party doesn't have all that much definition to begin with. it just kind of is. it's no secret that the conservative punditry industry is about a jillion times more huge and powerful than anything else in comparison. the names i gave you very much define the republican party in contrast.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
You do understand that you just used the excuse for which you constantly bashed Tea Party.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
really? in what way am i legitimizing a tiny fringe extremist group with mainstream national support and funding? i don't recall msnbc holding nationwide rallies for the dastardly michael moore or code pink or lol peta.

[identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Militias? What are you strawmanning?

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
We are discussing militias and you said "Yes, there were a few fringe crazies during the Bush presidency that took it way too far, but it wasn't the mainstream of the party. "

So I thought you were implying that militias are mainstream in GOP.