ext_306469 ([identity profile] paft.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2010-03-23 08:17 pm

Violent Words. Violent Acts. It's Not Rocket Science.

Mike Vanderboegh, of Pinson, Ala., former head of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern "Sons of Liberty" to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita. 13 Wham.com

The call from the right for liberals to “do what we say and you won’t get hurt” has been turned up just a notch. In reaction to the passage of health reform, a right wing blogger named Mike Vanderboegh called on his readers to break the windows of Democrats. Shortly afterwards, several Democratic Party offices in different cities were targeted with bricks flung through their windows. Mr. Vanderboegh seems positively exhilarated by the response to his message:
"Wake up and understand what is happening in this country. You need to start listening to people who you think you didn't have to pay any attention to, because sooner or later they will get your attention.”

Indeed. In fact, someone out there is so hungry for attention that someone phoned in to the office of Louise Slaughter threatening violence against the children of lawmakers who support healthcare reform.

Imagine that. A blogger posts a call to vandalism on his blog – and vandalism takes place! It’s as if words typed into the ether actually have some sort of meaning and lead to action in the offline world!

Vanderboegh, of course, insists that he’s not promoting “actual violence.” “How ambiguous is it if I say break windows? Am I saying kill people, absolutely not,” he insists.



But you see, here’s the thing about blogging -- readers are able to see, not just the message of the blogger but, through the comments section, how that message is processed and interpreted.

And looking through the comments posted on Mr. Vanderboegh’s blog does not indicate much reluctance about upping the ante if smashing windows doesn’t work. Here are a few of the comments posted by his fans in reaction to what he calls “the window war.” I should point out that the number of comments on his blog are not high, and these were not at all difficult to find:

“Hmmm, no demopub office here, far as I know. I'll think of something...”

“One article talks about a lack of notes, the other, a lack of injuries...hmmm”

“Today it was bricks, tomorrow it will be ???? The fuse has been lit.”

“We need to track these highly respectable representatives (cough) down to their residences.
Where we can then present them a Hallmark card (cough) kindly requesting they consider the Contitution when they vote..
Rocks and bricks are optional but torchs, pitch forks, tar and feathers are encouraged!!”

“As we know, our society has its roots in broken windows - not to mention tar-and-feathers (always horrible, often fatal) and bullets!”

“I wonder if the brain dead socialist in Washington would get the idea if it happened a lot more often. 
Would a wrist rocket and some ball bearings help get the idea across?”

“I bought a pistol belt and load bearing harness at the Army/Navy surplus store today. Haven't worn one since 1981. Fits real nice.”

“Good thing 223 ammo is still cheep and available. just bought another 1000 rds for 'target' pratice. these clowns are the best gun and ammo salesman in the world.”

“4" PVC Pipe
End Cap
Portable Compressed Air Tank
Hose
Pipe Fittings
Valve
Expanding Foam for Sabot 
Brick

Paint, Scope, Laser Rangefinder, and compensator optional.

Use of above parts left to the imagination of the reader.”

“They're all whining about bricks......

Just wait until it turns to bullets.”


But hey, this is all just a bunch of blog commenters right? It couldn’t possibly have an impact in the real world. It's all just posted to upset liberals.

Right?

Well, it has had an impact in the real world. Strange as it may seem to many people, those supposedly “meaningless” comments sections on a blog (and a small comments section at that) actually reflect the views of human beings who exist outside of the Internet and are capable of acting in the offline world.

Literal people, not virtual people, who are capable of reading Mr. Vanderboegh's blog, literally hefting a literal brick, and literally hurling it through a literal window.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Liberals don't believe in 2nd amendment, they prefer firebombing. Again Vermont secession anyone?

I'll do you better, I've got a prominent politicians wanting Bush dead. Let me introduce you to Democrat Kentucky governor Steve Beshear

“When I mention that Democrats are problem solvers, I can think of only one Republican who can be a problem solver — that is Vice President Dick Cheney if he would just take George on a hunting trip,”

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
the founding fathers lives were in constant danger. rosa parks' life was in constant danger. she believes she's just like them yet she decided that what she has to say isn't as important as her own well-being.

nobody barred her from speaking. or are you operating under the assumption that nobody has made death threats against richard dawkins, rachel maddow, jon stewart, noam chomsky, michael moore, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.? because boy do i have news for you. not only that, but this happened in the united states with all those constitutional protections you don't seem to understand. yet they soldiered onward and gave their speeches and lectures because they can be bothered to stand up for what they believe in, what with not being greedy sociopaths who fan the flames of sedition and hatred to make a buck off the dangerous paranoia of a bitter demographic.

this is a whole lot of nothing you raise in order to make a point about supposed liberals who don't even live in the same country as the ones you're attempting to tar, again, with false equivocations of violent behavior.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm just showing how both sides have an amnesia when they get in power...

I think you and I were talking that tea party now knows what it feels like when several bad people ruin fun for everyone else.

Could you imagine what would happen if Tea Party had Imagesigns like that at the protests? That's why after 8 years of that conservatives go "are you serious?" each time MSM goes into hysterical mode for a week after someone is being spat on. Not that I support that kind of behavior

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
oh no not vermont

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
also lol at not believing in the second amendment. we believe in it, we just know how to read.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Again if they count threats like the one about 14/88 killing in white tuxedos - half of the liberals would be rotting in jail by now for vocalizing their desire to kill Bush.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
that's quite the headcount you've got there. based on so much independent research i'm sure, and not just impotent stammering. half of us totally wanted to kill bush and all of us wanted to murder all the babies. the only thing that kept him alive was prayer. prayer and gitmo. and war. and some other horsemen.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Remind me when over 2000 violent protesters were blocking entrance to Micheal Moore's speech?

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
in which country again? i just need to know if this is going to be a precedent with you so i know that i'm allowed to use the taliban as an example of compassionate conservatism.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you think they counted and investigated facebook polls (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/secret-service-facebook-poll-not-a-threat.php) as death threats during Bush's administration?

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
do you think they shouldn't?

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not you - not going to fall that low.

I guess you are not reading the links I'm giving. Coulter canceled her speech because there were over 2000 protesters blocking the entrance into the building.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
i am sure they weren't during Bush's presidency.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
ah yes i forgot you quit working for the secret service because you could not in good conscience defend a muslim with your life

[identity profile] lovefromgirl.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Without any depth perception! Goodness, that puts an end to driving. :-)

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
yes yes yes as always you are right

[identity profile] drcruel.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Given their current rhetoric, probably something along the lines of, "I was obeying the will of GAHD." Then again, that's always what religious terrorists-Christian, Buddhist or Muslim-say.

[identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Listen, I remember the 9/11 Truthers and people freaked out about the Patriot Act & Guantanamo & the NSA/AT&T wiretap thing. I don't remember much actual violence - not that I consider a few bricks in present tense to represent any sort of violent uprising.

And W has left us with all sorts of debt and a couple of unfinished wars so I won't be forgetting him anytime soon.

[identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Your link isn't showing up. And yes, most people even if really angry, still act decently. And the few that don't end up on the news making everyone else look like an asshat.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not you - not going to fall that low.

what you mean conflating the political climate in two different countries? because guess what you've been doin this whole time.

it's me that'd be doing the falling, little man.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
just google images "kill bush"
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[identity profile] primroseburrows.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, since one of the bricks through one of the windows had a quote from Barry Goldwater, I think we can rule out MoveOn in that one.
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[identity profile] primroseburrows.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Was this the one in Canada? Because apparently there's protest over her visit to the U of Ottawa.

[identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, he thinks he's self-important and you agree with him. Huh.

[identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 06:39 pm (UTC)(link)
You're not posting about a trend either.

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