ext_306469 ([identity profile] paft.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2010-03-23 08:17 pm

Violent Words. Violent Acts. It's Not Rocket Science.

Mike Vanderboegh, of Pinson, Ala., former head of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern "Sons of Liberty" to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita. 13 Wham.com

The call from the right for liberals to “do what we say and you won’t get hurt” has been turned up just a notch. In reaction to the passage of health reform, a right wing blogger named Mike Vanderboegh called on his readers to break the windows of Democrats. Shortly afterwards, several Democratic Party offices in different cities were targeted with bricks flung through their windows. Mr. Vanderboegh seems positively exhilarated by the response to his message:
"Wake up and understand what is happening in this country. You need to start listening to people who you think you didn't have to pay any attention to, because sooner or later they will get your attention.”

Indeed. In fact, someone out there is so hungry for attention that someone phoned in to the office of Louise Slaughter threatening violence against the children of lawmakers who support healthcare reform.

Imagine that. A blogger posts a call to vandalism on his blog – and vandalism takes place! It’s as if words typed into the ether actually have some sort of meaning and lead to action in the offline world!

Vanderboegh, of course, insists that he’s not promoting “actual violence.” “How ambiguous is it if I say break windows? Am I saying kill people, absolutely not,” he insists.



But you see, here’s the thing about blogging -- readers are able to see, not just the message of the blogger but, through the comments section, how that message is processed and interpreted.

And looking through the comments posted on Mr. Vanderboegh’s blog does not indicate much reluctance about upping the ante if smashing windows doesn’t work. Here are a few of the comments posted by his fans in reaction to what he calls “the window war.” I should point out that the number of comments on his blog are not high, and these were not at all difficult to find:

“Hmmm, no demopub office here, far as I know. I'll think of something...”

“One article talks about a lack of notes, the other, a lack of injuries...hmmm”

“Today it was bricks, tomorrow it will be ???? The fuse has been lit.”

“We need to track these highly respectable representatives (cough) down to their residences.
Where we can then present them a Hallmark card (cough) kindly requesting they consider the Contitution when they vote..
Rocks and bricks are optional but torchs, pitch forks, tar and feathers are encouraged!!”

“As we know, our society has its roots in broken windows - not to mention tar-and-feathers (always horrible, often fatal) and bullets!”

“I wonder if the brain dead socialist in Washington would get the idea if it happened a lot more often. 
Would a wrist rocket and some ball bearings help get the idea across?”

“I bought a pistol belt and load bearing harness at the Army/Navy surplus store today. Haven't worn one since 1981. Fits real nice.”

“Good thing 223 ammo is still cheep and available. just bought another 1000 rds for 'target' pratice. these clowns are the best gun and ammo salesman in the world.”

“4" PVC Pipe
End Cap
Portable Compressed Air Tank
Hose
Pipe Fittings
Valve
Expanding Foam for Sabot 
Brick

Paint, Scope, Laser Rangefinder, and compensator optional.

Use of above parts left to the imagination of the reader.”

“They're all whining about bricks......

Just wait until it turns to bullets.”


But hey, this is all just a bunch of blog commenters right? It couldn’t possibly have an impact in the real world. It's all just posted to upset liberals.

Right?

Well, it has had an impact in the real world. Strange as it may seem to many people, those supposedly “meaningless” comments sections on a blog (and a small comments section at that) actually reflect the views of human beings who exist outside of the Internet and are capable of acting in the offline world.

Literal people, not virtual people, who are capable of reading Mr. Vanderboegh's blog, literally hefting a literal brick, and literally hurling it through a literal window.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Eeh no - and you know it.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Just because I like you: http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_13199902

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Tea Party is violent group?

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean I understand that you want to forget 8 years of Bush like it never happened... but common!

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
You have a really short term memory. Remember Time Square in 2008? For some reason I find to believe that militias decided to bomb army recruitment center.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Freedom of speech anyone?

Re: uh oh

[identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
It's even worse because I imagine that Jeff actually looks like Barry Goldwater, based solely on his icon.

That's different.

[identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Pulling a Todd, then.
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[identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Really disappointing, that. She's just going to spin it. In fact, she already has, disparaging the University and talking about how easy it must be to get in if the intellectually shameless people there feel the need to block her rather than debate her. Apparently the entire point of the tour was to point out the "worse" standing of free speech in Canada as compared to the US.

[identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Right. Because if some equivalent high profile extremely vehement anti-American speaker (Coulter -loathes- Canada) came here, we'd totally take it lying down:

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From the November 30 edition of FOX News' Hannity & Colmes:

COULTER: Conservatives, as a general matter, take the position that you should not punish your friends and reward your enemies. And Canada has become trouble recently.

It's -- I suppose it's always, I might add, the worst Americans who end up going there. The Tories after the Revolutionary War, the Vietnam draft dodgers after Vietnam. And now after this election, you have the blue-state people moving up there.

[...]

COULTER: There is also something called, when you're allowed to exist on the same continent of the United States of America, protecting you with a nuclear shield around you, you're polite and you support us when we've been attacked on our own soil. They [Canada] violated that protocol.

[...]

COULTER: They better hope the United States doesn't roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent.

[...]

COULTER: We could have taken them [Canada] over so easily.

[ALAN] COLMES: We could have taken them over? Is that what you want?

COULTER: Yes, but no. All I want is the western portion, the ski areas, the cowboys, and the right-wingers.

[...]

COULTER: They don't even need to have an army, because they are protected, because they're on the same continent with the United States of America. If we were not the United States of America, Canada -- I mean, we're their trading partner. We keep their economy afloat.

[...]

ELLIS HENICAN [Newsday columnist]: We share a lot of culture and a lot of interests. Why do we want to have to ridicule them and be deeply offended if they disagree with us?

COULTER: Because they speak French.

COLMES: There's something else I want to point out about the French. Is it's fashionable again on your side to denounce the French.

COULTER: We like the English-speaking Canadians.
From the November 30 edition of CNN's Wolf Blitzer Reports:

CARLSON: Without the U.S., Canada is essentially Honduras, but colder and much less interesting.

[...]

CARLSON: We exploit your [addressing Canadian Member of Parliament Carolyn Parrish] natural resources, that's true. But in the end, Canadians with ambition move to the United States. That has been sort of the trend for decades. It says something not very good about Canada. And I think it makes Canadians feel bad about themselves and I understand that.

[...]

CARLSON: Canada needs the United States. The United States does not need Canada.

[...]

CARLSON: I think if Canada were responsible for its own security -- you would be invaded by Norway if it weren't for the United States.

[...]

CARLSON: [A]bsolutely the countries will remain allies and there will always be politicians who see it to their benefit to stomp on Bush dolls [referring to action taken by Parrish]. But no, I don't think the average Canadian feels -- the average Canadian is busy dogsledding.

[...]

PARRISH: No, there's not a lot of dogsledding. There's a lot of dog walking, my friend. Not a lot of dogsledding.

CARLSON: Welcome to our century.
From the November 30 edition of CNN's Crossfire:

CARLSON: Canada's essentially -- essentially a made-in-Taiwan version of the United States.

[...]

CARLSON: I'm surprised there was anybody left in Canada to attend the protests. I noticed that most sort of vigorous, ambitious Canadians, at least almost all comedians in Canada, come to the United States in the end. Doesn't that tell you something about the sort of limpid, flaccid nature of Canadian society, that people with ambition come here? What does that tell you about Canada?

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
you have a strange idea of the distribution of crazies here. like, if you want to express this as some kind of ratio, you're not going to win.

Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service.

Some threats to Mr Obama, whose Secret Service codename is Renegade, have been publicised, including an alleged plot by white supremacists in Tennessee late last year to rob a gun store, shoot 88 black people, decapitate another 14 and then assassinate the first black president in American history.
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html)

1:5 for assassination threats and an even wider gap domestic terrorist actions since obama took office doesn't really neatly express this bizarre "welp both sides do it" equivocation with any sort of honesty.

incidentally, i'm sure none of this has anything to do with race, only teh librul demoncrats care about that: The Secret Service has looked into a number of race-based threats since Obama took office, and a Facebook poll that asked "Should Obama be killed?" President Obama also had a Secret Service detail 18 months before the election, the earliest of any Presidential candidate.

...

The Southern Poverty Law Center issued a report back in August that found that the number of white supremacist militia groups has spiked by 35% since 2000. The Secret Service has, in turn, increased its employees from 6,700 two years ago to a projected 7,055 in the coming fiscal year, almost entirely devoted to protecting national leaders. But that's a staff increase of just 5.3 percent -- nowhere near the 400 percent increase in threats to the president's life."
(http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/new-report-find-secret-service-overwhelmed-by-increased-threats.php)

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)
also you are aware that militias are specifically training to fight the united states military yes?

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
canada

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
but whatever. the entire world is the united states. blah blah blah everyone loves douchebag conservative cheerleaders who openly hate the rest of the planet. also the canadian or u.s. government or both obviously conspired to silence ann coulter because freedom of speech has nothing to do with private engagements so this makes your point remotely valid.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/03/eliminationism-in-america-appendix.html

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
michael moore and code pink don't train to kill u.s. soldiers and assassinate the president

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/03/eliminationism-in-america-appendix.html

[identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe in Gandhi's world, where gun ownership wasn't as prevalent.

[identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Calgary is where all the oil sands are right? And those experimental refineries for the sands that cause a lot of pollution.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 03:46 pm (UTC)(link)
it's happened a few times. the response is usually "iff dey had gunn dis wouldun happun." of course, this can be found in the comments of news stories about toddlers being shot in their sleep so your mileage may vary. hooray gun culture.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes that's why they've been bombing police stations and recruitment centers since 60s.

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