ext_36450 ([identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2014-03-01 09:21 am

Now the Long Knives are poised right in the back of Ukraine:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26400035

Fucking brilliant approach, this. First the attempt to play divide and conquer in Ukraine pretty transparently crashed and burned with the retun of Ukraine's Benazir Bhutto to political influence. Then, the Russians decide evidently that they really did move in Russian Army soldiers into the Crimea. Because the proper instinct when a risky gamble fails is to raise the stakes. This is not going to end well by any means. Now I'm wondering how long Lucashenko will have a country to rule as dictator, and what might happen with Round II with Georgia. If Tsar Vladimir I of the House of Putin succeeds in this kind of thing, that will only encourage him to expand his wars of aggression further because Ukraine is rather larger than Georgia, and this would permit Russia to begin aspiring to regain aspects of the old Tsarist boundaries. I sincerely expected Russia would use Central Asia for this kind of thing, not Ukraine.

The EU wouldn't give a damn about invading Muslims in Kazakhstan, but invading an EU state? That's not going to lead Russia to do anything but decide to engage in still-larger wars of aggression in the long term.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/europe/ukraine-politics/

And one of the chambers of the Russian legislature just approved this request. Hoo, boy.

Shit got real-er:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26403996

The Ukrainian Army is now on full combat alert. The prospect that the centennial year of the First World War will see the first large-scale conventional European war in decades has risen exponentially.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2014-03-02 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
There are already anti-russia protests in cities like Donetsk. Even though the eastern ukraine speaks russian and close to russia culturally they still consider themselves ukrainians.

[identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com 2014-03-02 07:23 am (UTC)(link)
There are pro-Russian protests in those cities too. The country is split along ethnic lines, and this will be deepening.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2014-03-02 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
The way I understand the pro-russian protests are more anti new goverment than pro russian. If that makes sense.

[identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com 2014-03-02 01:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm watching footage of people waving the Russian flag, singing the Russian anthem and chanting pro-Russian slogans as we speak. I'm not seeing many references to the new government.

[identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com 2014-03-02 08:10 am (UTC)(link)
No one has argued that the pro-Russian side dominates 100% of East Ukraine.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2014-03-02 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not arguing that either