The Game Changer?

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

Well, it looks like Mitt Romney has been playing the "Selective Family Album" game and kinda/sorta/oppsies forgot to tell everyone he is 1/4 Mexican.

And just did why did Mitt's father flee Mexico for the safety of the US?

In his public life Mitt Romney has said and written little about his ancestors' history in Mexico.  In one oft-repeated quote he said his family left the U.S. for Mexico to escape persecution for their religious beliefs.

In fact, Romney's great grandfather, Miles Park Romney, led that first expedition to escape not persecution but prosecution for polygamy, or what Mormons called ‘plural marriage.’

Well, this is rather awkward, from a race standpoint. So we have the Southern US. There is a strong showing of rather simple minded voters who are Crusading Voters for Christ and All Other Things White™.

Who they going to vote for. Mitt the Mex? Barrak the Magic Negro?

Or maybe that white guy Gary Johnson, the only real social liberal/fiscal conservative in the race.

God DAMN I love Southern Idiocracy.

Question: Game changer? If Mitt embraces his SOTB roots, will this swing brown skins to his camp? WILL ANYONE DEMAND TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

ETA: This just in! Cain demands to know more about this polygamy thing!

Comments

[taiki.livejournal.com]

I agree, but if he's 1/4th mexican... His stance on immigration becomes a BIG deal.

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

Yup.

It would be interesting to hear Romney explain how HIS family sought refuge
in Mexico to escape conditions here but he doesn't want people
seeking refuge here.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Wouldn't we have to do a bit of research to find out if his family immigrated illegally or not? (It may have been done, but I missed where that part was discussed) My understanding is that Rommney is against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. If you are for "open borders" I can see why you might disagree.

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

If it's "upholding the law" -- remember the family left to avoid prosecution,
and his campaign has already talked about "drawing on their experiences of strength if he were elected"...

So if you want to use compliance with the law as a difference, that one's not going to fly here.


If disregarding the law travelling SOUTH is "alright", then again it's
inconsistent to disregard the law travelling NORTH. Right?

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

I think it's a stretch, the same way I thought most of the "generational" arguments against Obama were. But that's me. I do my best to try and consider the individual, what they are, in spite of or because of their background.

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

I think what you are seeing here is a lot of TAT for the other positions' TIT, generally neutralizing snark attacks by both sides.

Not so much the focus of what is 'really' important.

Because we all know what's REALLY REALLY important is proving that guy on the internet WRONG!

heh

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

If it's "upholding the law" -- remember the family left to avoid prosecution,

Avoid persecution. Anti-Mormon laws - including anti-polygamy laws - were put in place to drive the Mormons out, period.

It's like saying that if the US passed a law banning the building of any more mosques and a state said "Muslims aren't allowed here," the fleeing Muslims would be fleeing prosecution? Really?

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

SO, let's review:

* The mormons fled the conditions of their land to seek refuge in another country -- and by your argument, that is OK

* Mexicans fled the conditions of their land to seek refuge in another country -- and that is NOT OK.


Ah, yes. Good to see we're consistent.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

This has nothing to do with "conditions" and everything to do with religious persecution. You completely missed the entire point.

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

No, *You* missed the point.

Regardless of why the people fled, the fact is that they DID.

They felt conditions in their country were intolerable and fled. and YET, many of the GOP are strongly opposed for other people fleeing here to escape their countries in a similar manner.


You seem to think the reasons matter to the point -- in this case, they dont.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Regardless of why the people fled, the fact is that they DID.

The point, in fact, is why. Fleeing because you don't like a place is markedly different than fleeing because you're facing persecution for your beliefs.

They felt conditions in their country were intolerable and fled. and YET, many of the GOP are strongly opposed for other people fleeing here to escape their countries in a similar manner.

Show me a Republican who is against political or religious asylum, then. Please, by all means.

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

Show me a Republican who is against political or religious asylum, then. Please, by all means.

Rrrrrrriiiiggghhhtttt..................

So if people sneaking across the border tried to claim asylum, you'd say "Sure"?


Give me a break dude!! And double-"Give me a break" if you argue the people holding the signs with "they're taking our jobs" and "Our system cant support them" are going to agree.

Your attempted argument here is pretty close to revisionism -- both in what HAS been seen and what HAS been said.


But by all means - PLEASE try to convince us that the same people saying "build a wall" and "Shoot people sneaking in on sight" actually are open to political asylum.


Right....

Hand Jeff a bigger shovel, he's not digging fast enough

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

Then why aren't you at the forefront of the issue and attacking US laws against polygamy, if you feel polygamy laws are 'religious persecution'?

Why haven't you posted about how unfair polygamy laws are, and how they are 'religious' persecution.

Great Grandpappy wanted to legally bang as many broads as could stand him. Are you arguing this is a religious right being trampled?

Re: Hand Jeff a bigger shovel, he's not digging fast enough

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Then why aren't you at the forefront of the issue and attacking US laws against polygamy, if you feel polygamy laws are 'religious persecution'?

Social issues aren't my thing, generally speaking, but I've advocated countless times, here and in the real world, against laws barring any consensual adult relationships.

Great Grandpappy wanted to legally bang as many broads as could stand him. Are you arguing this is a religious right being trampled?

While your phrasing of this is over the top, in the case of Mormonism historically in this country, absolutely. That's the only reason the laws were enacted.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

So what you are saying is people may only migrate to another country if it is to avoid religious prosecution.

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

Well, THAT's Romney's excuse so that is permissible...

But fleeing from violence, extreme poverty, economic persecution,
corrupt systems that allow you to be persecuted by whichever local official
feels like taking your stuff.... well, that's THEIR problem
and doesnt count.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

at least until someone he is supporting is using one of those reasons instead, anyways.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Well, THAT's Romney's excuse

[citation needed]

[awdrey-gore.livejournal.com]

Thanks for sharing your always unique perspective.

[no citation needed]

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

When did I say that?

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

It doesn't matter when. Do you believe it or do you not believe it?

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

You seem to, as is common, be applying incorrect viewpoints to me that were made expressly clear in posts you were involved with (http://politicartoons.livejournal.com/2841550.html?thread=67818446&style=mine#t67818446).

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

Not to mention the original Anglo residents of Texas were illegal immigrants to Texas.

See, it all gets so complicated when we start slapping labels on groups.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Excellent point...I believe it was that way for California too (fortunately I'm first generation, and I'm not THAT old that my parents actually came here after Ca was a state :)

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Has there been any complaints about too many people escaping religious persecution or something?