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talkpolitics2011-09-13 10:22 am
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...And the Crowd Goes Wild
Texas Primary Voter on Governor Rick Perry allowing the execution of Cameron Todd Willingham, a man who was probably innocent: It takes balls to execute an innocent man.
Brian Williams to Governor Rick Perry: Your state has executed 234 death row inmates, more than any other governor in modern times…
(Audience bursts into applause and whistles)
Wolf Blitzer: ..you're a physician, Ron Paul, so you're a doctor. You know something about this subject. Let me ask you this hypothetical question. A healthy 30-year-old young man has a good job, makes a good living, but decides, you know what? I'm not going to spend $200 or $300 a month for health insurance because I'm healthy, I don't need it. But something terrible happens, all of a sudden he needs it.
Who's going to pay if he goes into a coma, for example? Who pays for that?
Ron Paul: Well, in a society that you accept welfarism and socialism, he expects the government to take care of him.
Blitzer: Well, what do you want?
Paul: But what he should do is whatever he wants to do, and assume responsibility for himself. My advice to him would have a major medical policy, but not be forced --
Blitzer: But he doesn't have that. He doesn't have it, and he needs intensive care for six months. Who pays?
Paul: That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to prepare and take care of everybody –
Blitzer: But Congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?
Audience: Yeah! Yeeeesss!
Zealotry is the worship of an idea at the expense of human beings. This is true whether the idea being worshiped is Jesus, Allah, Buddha, Jehovah, The State, or the Master Race.
Or the Free Market.
Zeolots are marked by their willingness to go that extra mile, to cheer on the death and suffering of those outside their own sacred circle. They think it’s a sign of strength, of courage, of heard-jawed will. At worst, they’ll torture and kill. At best, they’ll not just allow others to die from sickness and hunger, they’ll cheer on those deaths as a salutary cleansing of society.
It is becoming more and more apparent that the Tea Party is made up of zealots, who are not only willing to see fellow Americans die, but are downright enthused about the idea.
Yessir, they like them some dyin’.
It’s interesting to note Ron Paul’s response to Blitzer’s question. After glancing rather nervously out at the audience, he replied:
No. I practiced medicine before we had Medicaid, in the early 1960s, when I got out of medical school. I practiced at Santa Rosa Hospital in San Antonio, and the churches took care of them. We never turned anybody away from the hospitals.
That’s nice, but in the context of Paul’s earlier comments, it makes no sense. Really? Private charity is sure to step in every time and save a life? If that were the case, why would people have less expectations about being taken care of in the event of sickness? I thought the whole point of Paul’s opposition to “welfarism” was keepin 'em scared.
Paul is, to put it quite bluntly, lying. He knows about Mark Price dying in Arizona because he couldn’t afford a heart transplant. He knows that charity has never been able, and won’t be able to fill the gap left if government doesn’t offer assistance for healthcare.
Ron Paul thinks people should literally and reasonably fear dying, not because a cure isn’t available, but because they couldn’t afford it. He thinks a young man dying in that way would be a good thing, would put the fear of God in all those lousy deadbeats who can’t afford to pay for health insurance. In short, Paul’s answer is inconsistent with his earlier statements.
The audience’s response isn’t. The audience response is the honest one.
Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes
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MVL: IHaven't found video of it yet,
Nor are you likely to.
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Nor are you likely to. -- Oh yes, because Democrats are such paragons of virtue. They just use sick people as fodder to pass a sham of a health care reform bill, even if they feel the need to fabricate information. And I forgot that Dems are so virtuous, they'd never beat up a man selling flags at a health care rally, or assault a reporter for recording them during the One Nation event, or tell a Gold Star Mother that if her son was "stupid" enough to enlist in the service, he deserved to die. No, Democrats NEVER do things like that because they're so damn perfect, right?
What's the weather like in that deluded world you live in, PAFT?
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mvl: You can hear two distinct of definite "yeah" yells.
Both of which were choruses of people -- not single voices.
mvl: Mhe reason the yelling wasn't included in the transcript I posted is because I'm not the one who typed it up. If you wanna bitch at someone, bitch at Tommy Christopher on Mediaite.com. I posted the transcript that was on their website.
Yes, you preferred the version that left out the yells that were the point of the OP.
mvl: Oh yes, because Democrats are such paragons of virtue.
If refraining from yelling and cheering on the idea of allowing the uninsured to die qualifies someone as a "paragon of virtue," yeah, the Democrats as a group qualify.
mvl: And I forgot that Dems are so virtuous, they'd never beat up a man selling flags at a health care rally,
Cite?
MVL: or assault a reporter for recording them during the One Nation event,
Cite?
mvl: or tell a Gold Star Mother that if her son was "stupid" enough to enlist in the service, he deserved to die. No, Democrats NEVER do things like that because they're so damn perfect, right?
Cite?
mvl: What's the weather like in that deluded world you live in, PAFT?
The world I live in is one where refraining from torture and indefinite detention does NOT qualify as a Woodstock-like "love in," where refraining from cheering on the death of the uninsured does NOT make someone a "paragon of virtue," and where "cross your heart and hope to die" does NOT qualify as a death threat, and where the issue in a debate on Hate Crimes is NOT whether or not the accused used more than one racial epithet.
It's not my world that's "deluded."
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Cite 1: Kenneth Gladney. That should have been obvious from the description of events.
Cite 2: Emily Miller from Human Events was attacked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3049ny1JczA&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLB3F5844D0B518F7C) by a woman at the One Nation event.
Cite 3: Deborah Lee. At first Jodie Evans was accused of saying it but it happened in Berkeley, CA during the military recruitment protests, so she couldn't say for certain who said it, but it was said to her.
It's not my world that's "deluded." -- Yeah, keep telling yourself that.
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Hard to dispute Gladney's claims when the beating was caught on tape. Then again, it doesn't hurt the union folk who beat him that Shelia Jackson-Lee was helping with their defense fund.